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« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2004, 01:43:44 AM »
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In my personal opinion some liberals are bad, but what makes you the worst is that you are an uneducated misinformed liberal.



What policies have made us "open" for attack?  We haven\'t been attacked since 9/11.  There are casualities in war - get over it.  We don\'t believe Iran has stopped their nuclear program -  That would be Europe and the UN - I have no idea where you get your information because it is all completely wrong.  

Closet hispanics?  Don\'t reach out to their own?  You are so racist it sickens me.  What they are are true Americans who have earned their own way.  Something you know nothing about or want to know anything about.  You are as bad as those blacks that call Colin Powell an Uncle Tom.  It is not their responsibility to "reach out" and help thier communities monetarily or grant them special favors.  The gift they are giving your community is an example that you can succeed in this country regardless of your race or upbringing.  This doesn\'t only apply to minorities - take a look at Nixon who grew up in poverty for an example of a white person who had nothing, but became something.  That is the American way.

 

Then do something about it instead of whining.  You expect the President to fix your community?  The problem with your community is that you don\'t take any responsibilities for your community.  It is not the governments responsibilty to stop your fellow hispanics from commiting crimes and driving tacky automobiles.



Where?  Show me how he cut funding to certain aspects of your community.  Also, stop whining about having to take tests to prove you have actually learned something in school.  



Good.



What does white have to do with anything?  You have more opportunities in this country than I do because you are a minority.  There are many hispanics who are successful so stop trying to make this a race issue.



Yes, your parents should leave.  They are illegal.

 

They come here for money that they send back to wherever they came from and get a free education in our public schools along with getting treated at our hospitals even though they don\'t have health insurance.  Yeah I would call that a free ride.



Then you are deaf too.

 



Yeah some assumption :rolleyes:


Yeah. I suppose the war in Iraq was a well planned war? You\'re right. It didn\'t intensify American hatred. It didn\'t unite terrorist groups for the same cause. You\'re right. Keep sending troops so they can die over there so we don\'t get attacked over here. I mean that was the reason for the war right?

I haven\'t earned my own way. You\'re right. I mean I didn\'t work to help out my family, I didn\'t go to school and I drive a tacky car like you implied all Mexicans do.

You\'ve never taken those test Giga. I don\'t see how pulling you out of Stats to take a test that is dumbed down for the lowest achieving school can benefit us. Those test are a joke and they don\'t prove anything.

I really take no insult to you calling me racist. I\'m not. But alot of people that think like you think I that I am. I think you\'re a racist just because of the crap you\'ve said you\'ve done. I\'m not going to tell you to stop calling me racist, mainly because you have mods that back you up. And you wouldn\'t anyways.

I respect the white people. I don\'t hate them. I don\'t feel anything bad towards them. In fact, my mom thinks white people are the nicest people ever. Which they are because alot of them actually know how to behave in public...I\'m talking about a perticular group of white people. Those that are bound and would love to implement hardcore policies against minorities and specially mexicans. There still are some like that. If the government was filled with Hispanics that had the same mind set as some of the Bush administration memebers, I would feel the same way about them.

There are plenty of people to whom I look up to. Like I\'ve said, the Republican party has a knack to breed people like you, therefore any Hispanic that is even taking part with the party is NOT somebody I would look up to. It\'s not racist, it\'s just guilty because of association. Don\'t take me wrong, it\'s great that minorities are moving up in the government. I\'m glad there are Hispanics out there who have taken advantage of their opportunities and have moved up. But the rest of them are not well represented in government. I know there is ONE senator who is a strong advocate for immigrants. I can\'t remember his name though sadly. Also the governor of Arizona(I think) is somebody that can make an impact.

JFK is one of the few I look up to. Cesar Chavez is another great example.

THERE are Hispanics that are succesful. But then theres the rest. The majority. If there is anything I can\'t stand is those Hispanics who were brought up by illegal parents, became something important and now don\'t even look back. I happen to know people like that and sadly that just makes me wonder about my people.

There are going to be plenty more succesful minorities this new generations. I mean, look at me! You might hate to admit it and you must think is horrible but you know I\'m not alone. Plenty of other teenagers think the way I do to a degree. 80 percent of my class is Hispanic and my school is known around the world. We are all going to college and guess what? We are all members of Lulac.

My parents want to leave. But they can\'t. I have two more brothers in school! So when their done with their "free ride" then we\'ll see what happens. Giga, my parents have a house, two cars and almost 14 credit cards. I think they\'ve pretty much accomplished their dream. And it wasn\'t as easy as "getting a free" ride because they didn\'t. I lived it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Speaking of SMU-I GOT IN!!!

And I need to fill out some scholarships they\'ve sent me. Sadly, I didn\'t win the President\'s scholar.

How do I plan to pay for it? My parents already said they\'ll pay half and the rest hopefully would be covered by scholarships. And to my surprise, I have yet to apply for a minority scholarship.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2004, 08:26:12 AM »
First you say you go to one the crappiest schools now you say it is known "around the world" and you are "all going to college."  

Secondly, you say your parents have 2 cars - you also stated they were illegal.  Illegals can\'t have drivers licenses.

So which is it Mystiq?  You either lied before or are lying now.

In essence you are saying the Republican Party is racist - because they breed people like me who are white, conservative and middle class and just because a hispanic is conservative and middle class they don\'t have "hispanic values" anymore?

Lastly, what impact do you want them to make?  Give you something no other race in America has?  Tilt the playing field to your advantage?  :rolleyes:  If wanting to allow more hispanic immigrants is your answer that is racist.  The US only lets in so many immigrants in a year legally and other races are just as deserving as hispanics - I would even say more so considering the mass majority of illegal aliens are hispanic and they don\'t abide by the law when entering this country.
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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2004, 09:15:48 AM »
1) Whats so unbelieveable about somebody going to college from a bad school?

2) Ive known Illegals with cars that werent doing too bad for themselves

3) I wont really get too deep into the whole race/racist issue but i can kinda see where Mystiq is coming from with the whole "not supportive of your own race" thing. I wont go as far to say that if you dont do anything then youre not "x" but if youre sitting in a position of some power and you see that your "people" or w/e are not moving up on the social/economic ladder, (to meet everyone else in the middle) and you ignore the fact then id agree with him more or less.

I guess it depends on how you were brought up, but if you dont resent your upbringing (assuming that it was a typical one of the culture ie traditions etc) yet you dont uphold those standards in your own home (and or adopt another ideal) then id still probably agree with mystiq.

Talk about run-ons.

I guess its all opinion and a person doesnt have to abide by any rules or standards of being hispanic, black, white etc but i guess its just one of those things.

I can say one thing though - and that that i definately agree or have similar sentiments about illegal immigration. I used to get into arguments with one of my old gf\'s over that shit all the time.
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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2004, 09:29:58 AM »
i agree with everything you stated nicon..well put. that said tho since we\'re talkin of illegal immigrants, i feel everybody has to pay their dues...but i do have a problem with the u.s. letting cubans come here and stay illegally while haitians are sent back...

i think somebody in here stated that the reason was because the illegals from cuba were escaping a torturous gov\'t while haitians were not,..in any case it still sounds shady to me and it still feels it\'s not fair if you ship off one group and let the other stay...
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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2004, 03:44:15 PM »
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minorities are still at a disadvantage...

swif,..if you and I went on a job interview with the exact same credentials your chances of getting hired will be higher than mine, bottomline...and not to turn this into a racist argument but that is just the way it is...and that are just some of the hurdles minorities have to go through...


Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble.  How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.

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« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2004, 01:34:40 PM »
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Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble.  How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.

It happens. Truely. Its funny how people think that every single organization goes through with all this quota shit but I dont doubt that many do if not most.

Then again, perhaps minorities just dont apply to certain places.

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« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2004, 01:56:18 PM »
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Ha, a workplace at this point has to meet a quota of minorities or they get in trouble.  How you figure it\'s the opposite is funny.


it\'s true that they have a certain criteria to meet quotas, but why do you think they\'re there in the first place?......riiiight...if those rules weren\'t in place you\'d hardly see any minorities in the workforce..oh yea you will still see some,.but not to the the degree that you see now...

Now some companies do it just for the sake of keeping within their quota instead of hiring that minority for his skill...it\'s bulls**t..if companies didn\'t have that racist mindset from the jumpoff, and didn\'t look at that person\'s color and based their decision on their skill level alone, trust there would be no need for this quota crap....
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« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2004, 05:57:03 PM »
Personally, I don\'t think they need to be around anymore.  The fact that you think 90% of the time a white would be hired over a black is laughable.  More funny than that though is how you\'re turning around the quota to frown upon whites.

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« Reply #83 on: December 06, 2004, 09:49:58 AM »
I don\'t know about you guys, but if I was a minority getting a job and someone said here we need to have laws making companies hire minorities, that\'d be a slap in my face, its basically saying you can\'t get a job without the help of WHITEY, or thats what mystiq likes to call the government.

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« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2004, 11:04:43 PM »
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First you say you go to one the crappiest schools now you say it is known "around the world" and you are "all going to college."  

Secondly, you say your parents have 2 cars - you also stated they were illegal.  Illegals can\'t have drivers licenses.

So which is it Mystiq?  You either lied before or are lying now.

In essence you are saying the Republican Party is racist - because they breed people like me who are white, conservative and middle class and just because a hispanic is conservative and middle class they don\'t have "hispanic values" anymore?

Lastly, what impact do you want them to make?  Give you something no other race in America has?  Tilt the playing field to your advantage?  :rolleyes:  If wanting to allow more hispanic immigrants is your answer that is racist.  The US only lets in so many immigrants in a year legally and other races are just as deserving as hispanics - I would even say more so considering the mass majority of illegal aliens are hispanic and they don\'t abide by the law when entering this country.


I would have to say NEITHER.

I said:
 Do your kids go to a shithole school like so many of the kids in my community?

My school is a magnet school. I had to apply and get accepted. The school in my neighborhood is the one kids go to if they apply nowhere else.

My parents do have a license.

In essence, I\'m saying that the Republican party is gathering grounds for racist. They don\'t breed them. They\'re supported by many of them.

And about that Hispanic thing...Yeah. Pretty much. I\'ve met plenty of peole who have made their lives here. Are not doing so bad financially and support views like yours. When they go see mom and dad, turns out mom and dad were illegal until they were legalized by their kids. It\'s kind of...hypocritical?

The moment I turn 21 I\'m asking for legalizing my parents. So, don\'t worry they won\'t be taking any more of your jobs illegally...

You\'re right. They don\'t abide by the law. Then again, if my family was dying in a shithole community where you get paid 100 dollars a week I wouldn\'t either.

OT:

I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"

Hey, Giga got away with using it...Why can\'t I?

Let me guess...


I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?

How is that racist?

I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2004, 12:32:45 AM »
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I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"

I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?

How is that racist?

I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.


Say that all you want, doesn\'t make it true.  You said "is that whitey whining" , but you didn\'t expect backlash?  You said it in jest, yet downplay it now.  It didn\'t add to any arguement, it was an outright racist comment.  I\'d love to see you tie in "is that whitey whining" to old white males being in the government.

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2004, 01:34:26 AM »
Meh. And some would say that Gman\'s Chicken joke (gif) in his "Before mm says \'this is so 3 days ago\'..." thread about the whole basketball thing was racist.

Somebody says one thing and nobody lets them live it down while others get a slap on the wrist because they were "joking."

Im sure Mystiq doesnt hate you all. Give it a rest
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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2004, 05:12:46 AM »
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In essence, I\'m saying that the Republican party is gathering grounds for racist. They don\'t breed them. They\'re supported by many of them.


Here we go again... :rolleyes:  Why don\'t you just quit while your ahead.  I have remained silent with all of your racist garbage up until now.  You are a bigot with a chip on your shoulder about the Republican Party and white people.  Bozco is right... you continue to downplay your comments and you don\'t expect any backlash??

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The moment I turn 21 I\'m asking for legalizing my parents. So, don\'t worry they won\'t be taking any more of your jobs illegally...
 

It is not about jobs.  It isn\'t even about coming here and giving birth to idiots like you.  It is about abiding by the law, which they don\'t so they should be deported.

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You\'re right. They don\'t abide by the law. Then again, if my family was dying in a shithole community where you get paid 100 dollars a week I wouldn\'t either.


So because they were born in Mexico and they came to realize that the US is much "richer" that makes it justifiable?  Sorry, but economic hardship is not an asylum issue.  Go through legal channels if you want to immigrate - don\'t come here illegally.  

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I really can\'t believe how much crap you\'re giving me of saying "is that whitey whining?"

Hey, Giga got away with using it...Why can\'t I?

Let me guess...


I\'m not making this a racist issue. B/c you have still to tell me if the government is not run by old white males? Is it not?

How is that racist?

I\'m as far away as a racist as anybody.


I got away with what exactly?  I didn\'t call you "brownie" or "beaner" or "wetback" did I?  And now you start again with the government being run by "old white males".  This is the last time I am going to say this Mystiq - I don\'t want to hear one more word about how the white man does this or does that.  Frankly I have had enough of your racist crap - you make Quddus look like a poster child for racial unity with your comments.
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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2004, 08:04:13 PM »
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Here we go again... :rolleyes:  Why don\'t you just quit while your ahead.  I have remained silent with all of your racist garbage up until now.  You are a bigot with a chip on your shoulder about the Republican Party and white people.  Bozco is right... you continue to downplay your comments and you don\'t expect any backlash??

 

It is not about jobs.  It isn\'t even about coming here and giving birth to idiots like you.  It is about abiding by the law, which they don\'t so they should be deported.



So because they were born in Mexico and they came to realize that the US is much "richer" that makes it justifiable?  Sorry, but economic hardship is not an asylum issue.  Go through legal channels if you want to immigrate - don\'t come here illegally.  

 

I got away with what exactly?  I didn\'t call you "brownie" or "beaner" or "wetback" did I?  And now you start again with the government being run by "old white males".  This is the last time I am going to say this Mystiq - I don\'t want to hear one more word about how the white man does this or does that.  Frankly I have had enough of your racist crap - you make Quddus look like a poster child for racial unity with your comments.


I don\'t have a chip on my shoulder about anything. I really don\'t. I have a chip on my shoulder about people that think like you but that is it. And the fact is they SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! I don\'t have a problem with the ENTIRE party. Just the ones like you.

Idiots have been here for a long time. How old are you?

That\'s your view. Mine is that you shouldn\'t label all as criminals and look at them as stealing animals that don\'t have a reason for breaking the law. I know it\'s illegal. We should abide by the laws. But when you\'ve actually lived through it, I prefere to be a hypocrite about it.

You used the word "whitey" So, I used it. Then you blew it out of proportion. You label me "racist" because I said that the government is run by "old white men" You still have to tell me how that is racist. I didn\'t say they were bad. I didn\'t say they were racist. I didn\'t say they only help the white people. You just like attaching shit to what isn\'t there. And frankly, I don\'t care. I NEVER said the white man did ANYTHING. Unless you\'re talking about slavery or the 60\'s but other than that NOTHING.

My racist crap...I\'m sorry...Is it not as well hidden as yours?
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2004, 08:29:11 AM »
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You used the word "whitey" So, I used it. Then you blew it out of proportion. You label me "racist" because I said that the government is run by "old white men" You still have to tell me how that is racist. I didn\'t say they were bad. I didn\'t say they were racist. I didn\'t say they only help the white people. You just like attaching shit to what isn\'t there. And frankly, I don\'t care. I NEVER said the white man did ANYTHING. Unless you\'re talking about slavery or the 60\'s but other than that NOTHING.

My racist crap...I\'m sorry...Is it not as well hidden as yours?


WTF?  I used the word whitey, so you used it? :stick:   Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?  

Last time Mystiq, shut up with the racist tantrums, stop whining about your previous dumbass comments and move on.
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