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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2004, 03:31:23 PM »
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Certainly you would have been for repealing it... after all you state it didn\'t benefit you. Only the middle class and the rich.


I didn\'t get money, nor did I lose money.  I never had a problem with it.  My problem was that you grouped me with Quddus and made a statement that was entirely false and then tried to make up for it afterwards.  You still haven\'t recanted your statement.

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Dude...I was working a minimum wage sh^t job and got a fatty check. Why does everyone think it\'s benefitting the rich? Maybe you were just unlucky...


I don\'t know exactly how it worked, but no one that I personally know of received any checks from the government and I don\'t exactly truck with high society types either.  But we\'re most certainly not living in the gutters either.  If I were to go off of that sample, then it fits with my reasoning that the upper middile class and the rich received checks.
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« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2004, 03:47:18 PM »
My best friend lives in a craphole of an aparment and got a thousand dollar check from his crap job too. And all my other friends as well.

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« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2004, 05:41:44 PM »
^^^Are you sure you aren\'t thinking of your regular tax return?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Raise taxes on tobacco and alcohol and use state lottery funds for grants.  That is how you pay for it.  Many states already do this in regards to the lottery, but combine that with tobacco and alcohol revenue in addition to reviewing the overpriced cost of tuition - a solution could be found.
Yes its called a sin tax. States use these because no one complains about taxes on vices and if the tax causes people to quit it has a positive benefit. The problem is that a sin tax is not reliable enough to base a policy on(especially one as expensive as free education). If use drops then there is a lack of funds for a policy that allows MORE people to go to school. Eventually you end up with a system, just like Social Security, where there is more money being taken out of the pot than put in. Taxes would HAVE to be raised for ANY socialist policy including this one.

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Where are these "facts" regarding whites selling and using more drugs?  I suppose more whites use pot, but you are quoting drugs like cocaine.
Blacks and whites both use drugs at similar rates percentage wise but the fact that whites out number blacks 5-1 means that 100 blacks using drugs equals 500 whites using drugs.

Taken from the 2001 National Household  Survey on Drug Abuse(that same information that the white house uses)



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  • Among persons aged 12 or older in 2001, the rates for illicit drug or alcohol dependence or abuse were highest among American Indians/Alaska Natives (13.9 percent) ........ Among whites, the rate was 7.5 percent, among blacks, 6.2 percent, and among Hispanics, 7.8 percent.
  • Between 2000 and 2001, there were increases in the rates of illicit drug or alcohol dependence or abuse for most racial/ethnic groups, but the increase was statistically significant only among whites (from 6.6 to 7.5 percent).


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You have been watching too much of The Wire.  Next thing you know you are going to tell me that the entire judicial system in the US is racist because minorities compromise the largest percentage of the prison population. :rolleyes:

1) Racist may be too strong a word. Biased may be a better term.

2) Not the entire system just enforcement and policy.

Police have an incentive to racially profile. Look up "Civil asset forfeiture laws". Police can seize property and sell it without proving guilt. They do it so much that they are dependant on it. They need seizures to match funds from federal grants and pay salaries. Minorities\' generally don\'t have a political voice so police can do this without most people ever knowing about it.
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« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2004, 06:05:17 PM »
Sorry to be skeptical, but it is a survey after all and then to make it even more confusing it says percentage using in the past month at the bottom and at the top says annual aveage.  WTF?  

Also that demographic is lumping alcohol amongst other questionable items in with drugs like cocaine no wonder its skewed.  I don\'t have time to waste reading through table after table and footnote after footnote...
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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2004, 06:33:53 PM »
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Sorry to be skeptical, but it is a survey after all and then to make it even more confusing it says percentage using in the past month at the bottom and at the top says annual aveage.  WTF?
Annual average of percent using in the past month. You know 5% used in Jan. 6% used in Feb.

Yeah the fact that the White House uses this same survey to develop their drug policy means nothing. Its only relevant if it helps your argument. :rolleyes:

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Also that demographic is lumping alcohol amongst other questionable items in with drugs like cocaine no wonder its skewed.  I don\'t have time to waste reading through table after table and footnote after footnote...
It is not a survey of "questionable items". It is a survey of ILLICIT DRUGS, of which Alcohol is NOT included. Nice try though.

You can\'t be bothered to "waste time" with facts which is why most of the garbage you post is pulled squarely out of your ass.
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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2004, 06:39:08 PM »
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Police have an incentive to racially profile. Look up "Civil asset forfeiture laws". Police can seize property and sell it without proving guilt. They do it so much that they are dependant on it. They need seizures to match funds from federal grants and pay salaries. Minorities\' generally don\'t have a political voice so police can do this without most people ever knowing about it.


Don\'t worry about that one for much longer.  If conservatives get their way, as the latest front page article in my newspaper seems to suggest is happening as evolution is once again being thrown out of schools, then all immigrants will be deported and our economy will eat itself and America will revert back to the 1920\'s.  GO GO GADGET DEPORTATION!
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« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2004, 07:51:11 PM »
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Originally posted by Black Samurai

You can\'t be bothered to "waste time" with facts which is why most of the garbage you post is pulled squarely out of your ass.


Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity.  College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors.  This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".

You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point.  I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read.  Our tax money at work... for what?  Sorry, but I am not a chart reader.  I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia.  I would rather read a book on accounting.

Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process.  By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law.  It won\'t do you or them any good.
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« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2004, 08:10:57 PM »
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Yes, harmful to one\'s self, however I was referring to others. People don\'t get high and then beat their wives and children. And that was probably quick of me to say it doesn\'t lead to bigger things, however from all the guys I\'ve known who smoked pot, thats all they ever did.


But a person could be driving a car while high. I forget who posted it but a while back there was a thread about a man who killed a kids when he ran the kid over in his car. The man was speeding and the boy chould have been easy to spot. The man was high so he didn\'t see him and smacked right into him, killing him. So, getting high is not only harmful to yourself but to others as well.
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« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2004, 10:36:11 PM »
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But a person could be driving a car while high. I forget who posted it but a while back there was a thread about a man who killed a kids when he ran the kid over in his car. The man was speeding and the boy chould have been easy to spot. The man was high so he didn\'t see him and smacked right into him, killing him. So, getting high is not only harmful to yourself but to others as well.


Those are rare instances... those occurences are much more alcohol related. Overall I think law enforcement wastes time and money busting people for pot, when there are bigger fish in the sea.

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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2004, 10:47:14 PM »
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Those are rare instances... those occurences are much more alcohol related. Overall I think law enforcement wastes time and money busting people for pot, when there are bigger fish in the sea.


Agreed.  If it\'s legal to drink and that obviously causes deaths, then marijuana hardly adds fuel to that fire.  At least with a tax on marijuana and the government (or state) making money off of it, it\'ll allow for more programs to be put together for people.  If one day it did become legalized and it was sold in packs in stores, I can only imagine what that pack would look like... That\'ll be one helluva day.
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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2004, 10:50:45 PM »
I\'ve read about 15-20% of impaired-caused accidents had to do with Marijuana...that\'s not rare...

Sleep deprevation is a major cause of accidents as well...so...GET YOUR SLEEP!! ;)

I still think it should be legalized, though...

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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2004, 11:08:32 PM »
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Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity.  College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors.  This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".

You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point.  I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read.  Our tax money at work... for what?  Sorry, but I am not a chart reader.  I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia.  I would rather read a book on accounting.

Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process.  By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law.  It won\'t do you or them any good.


Most liberals are independent and that is why we are called liberals. We don\'t abide with some of the crap conservatives love to preach about. That makes us a critical thinkers.

College professors are incredibly smart people. Their credibility is well above yours.

Colleges are fine. If they were preaching all of the crap you preach about would you consider them good?

Yeah, you would.

Colleges aren\'t "liberal" It\'s the new generation. Maybe because we can see past our own world and actually realize that there are people around us.

And that fronpage magazine...
LOL

Did I just see books on the left side such as:

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Seriously Giga. You can\'t take biased reports and turn them into fact.
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Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2004, 11:10:49 PM »
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I\'ve read about 15-20% of impaired-caused accidents had to do with Marijuana...that\'s not rare...

Sleep deprevation is a major cause of accidents as well...so...GET YOUR SLEEP!! ;)

I still think it should be legalized, though...


That\'s probably the only thing Giga and I agree on.

Marijuana shouldn\'t be lealized.

There is no point.
No good will come from it.
It wouldn\'t benefit our society in anyway.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2004, 11:27:57 PM »
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Being in college, it is no wonder your ideas for this country ring with grand stupidity.  College was originally supposed to encourage independent and critical thought, but it seems you have taken up the banner of your equally stupid liberal college professors.  This is evident in labeling the war on drugs "racist".

You refer to one chart in a series of almost endless charts and reports to make an irrelevant point.  I doubt anyone on here will read and decipher all of those charts and graphs - it is a waste of time and a headache to read.  Our tax money at work... for what?  Sorry, but I am not a chart reader.  I don\'t enjoy it, nor would I use my free time looking at something that would cure insomnia.  I would rather read a book on accounting.

Your legalizing drugs argument represents your flawed thought process.  By all means keep on making excuses for those that break the law.  It won\'t do you or them any good.
I have tons of facts and figures. You asked for facts that correlate to whites doing more drugs than minorities and I gave them to you and now I didn\'t post enough facts. Kiss my ass. I\'m not going to hand feed you this information. The information is there but you already have your preconcieved notions about everything. I can throw facts at you all night but your head is too far up your ass to absorb any of them.

You have YET to show me anything to suggest that there is NOT a bias. You can say "The sky is red" but that don\'t mean shit when I can look for myself and see that the god damn sky is blue. That just shows that I know what the f*ck I\'m talking about; because instead of playing the bellend role like yourself I actually AM looking at information independantly and critically. If that makes me a liberal than sign me the f*ck up.

How would YOU explain the disparity in the numbers?

Conservatives have been on the wrong side of 99.99999% of the significant arguments in the history of mankind. I don\'t expect them to start getting shit right now.
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« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2004, 02:49:06 AM »
How fun these debates are.

Rarely do we get anywhere.

Giga, vid, mj, vs. the rest of the CE posters - gotta love it.

Its like watching reruns for the first time.

meh.

its 5 in the morning.

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