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« on: December 28, 2004, 05:19:35 AM »
U.N. official slams U.S. as \'stingy\' over aid

By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Bush administration yesterday pledged $15 million to Asian nations hit by a tsunami that has killed more than 22,500 people, although the United Nations\' humanitarian-aid chief called the donation "stingy."

    "The United States, at the president\'s direction, will be a leading partner in one of the most significant relief, rescue and recovery challenges that the world has ever known," said White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy.

    But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

    "It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."
 
    "There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It\'s not true. They want to give more."
 
    In response to Mr. Egeland\'s comments, Mr. Duffy pointed out that the United States is "the largest contributor to international relief and aid efforts, not only through the government, but through charitable organizations. The American people are very giving."

    Offers of aid have poured in from around the world in the past two days, with the European Union\'s executive arm releasing $4 million in emergency aid and pledging an additional $27 million. Canada and several European nations — including Spain, Germany, Ireland and Belgium — each pledged about $1 million yesterday.

    Secretary of State Colin L. Powell hinted that the $15 million U.S. offer was only the first installment of a larger aid package to those countries devastated by 30-foot waves triggered by a massive underwater earthquake.

    "We also have to see this not just as a one-time thing," he said. "Some 20-plus thousand lives have been lost in a few moments, but the lingering effects will be there for years.

    "The damage that was caused, the rebuilding of schools and other facilities will take time," he added. "So you need a quick infusion to stabilize the situation, take care of those who have been injured, get immediate relief supplies in, and then you begin planning for the longer haul."

    If that planning calls for significant food aid, the United States might have to scramble.

    "Even before the crisis in the Asia-Pacific region and the Indian Ocean, the demands for food aid were stretching capacity: demands in Sudan, demands in West Africa, demands in other areas hit by drought and fighting," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said.

    "So even though we\'re giving a lot, the demand is very high," he added. "We\'re going to have to look at, as we move forward, what we can do to meet that demand."

    Money and food are not the only types of aid being sent by the Bush administration. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) also is sending a 21-member disaster-relief team to the region.

    Also, the Pentagon has dispatched military patrol planes from the Pacific Fleet. President Bush has written letters of condolence to seven of the affected nations — Bangladesh, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, the Maldives and Malaysia.
 
    Besides the United States, the largest single national donor was neighboring Australia, which offered $10 million and transportation aid.

    "Australia will and should give more," Prime Minister John Howard said.

    The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies made an initial appeal of $6.7 million, which the federation says it will probably increase.

    Officials from relief agencies, including the Red Cross and other nongovernmental organizations, met yesterday in Geneva to coordinate their efforts. In New York, diplomats from six of the affected nations met with U.N. officials.

    The United Nations and other aid organizations have deployed hundreds of disaster-recovery and humanitarian-response teams to the region, and officials warn that the cost of the disaster could quickly reach "many billions of dollars."

    "We may only know the full effect of this emergency weeks from now," Mr. Egeland told reporters yesterday at the United Nations in New York. "The disaster affecting Southeast Asia is not the biggest in recorded history, but the effects could be the biggest because more people live in exposed areas than ever before."

    The tsunami-ravaged nations are particularly susceptible to epidemics as authorities struggle with thousands of corpses in unsanitary conditions. International organizations and nations including France, Japan, Israel, Kuwait, Hungary and others are sending medical personnel to some or all of the affected countries.

    "The principal danger is that of diseases transmitted through water, especially malaria and diarrhea, and infections caught through respiration," said Hakan Sandbladh, a Red Cross official in Geneva.

    Groups such as Doctors Without Borders warned that catastrophes tend to help localized illnesses turn into full-blown epidemics.

    The destruction of water and sewage pipes, the disruption of vaccination programs and the lack of attention to disease-carrying pests such as rats and mosquitoes exacerbated the risk, they said.

    In this situation, the stagnant pools of water created by the tsunami could boost the numbers of mosquitoes and other insects that transmit tropical maladies such as malaria and dengue fever.

    "The risk of epidemics is also linked to concentrations of people whose houses have been destroyed," said Pauline Horrill of Doctors Without Borders.

    Meanwhile, Agence France-Presse reported that a tsunami alert system in Hawaii that warns Pacific countries about devastating tidal waves detected the earthquake that led to the destruction across Indian Ocean nations.

    But the absence of an alert system in Asia meant the information could not be sent out fast enough.

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration\'s (NOAA) Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, established in 1949 after a huge wave killed more than 150 people in Hawaii, issued a bulletin at 3:14 p.m. local time or 8:14 a.m. in the affected area, when it detected an earthquake off Indonesia.

    The NOAA\'s information bulletin said there was a possibility of a tsunami near the earthquake\'s epicenter, but that no destructive threat existed in the Pacific. The huge tidal waves instead swept across the Indian Ocean, killing people in 10 countries from Indonesia to Somalia.

    • Betsy Pisik, reporting from the United Nations in New York, contributed to this article, which is based in part on wire service reports.

Now the UN, led by this socialist European bureaucrat, think I want my taxes raised to pay for any and every crisis that happens around the world.  Think again!  "Give more" :laughing: The UN is lucky we are sending any aid at all IMO.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 05:26:00 AM »
Bah.. I think all countries need to give more.

I just donated 700SEK ($100), I suggest you all do  something (over what your country is already doing) to help all these people.

Its about helping fellow people, stop thinking about politics for just one minute.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 06:17:30 AM »
I agree.   THe US government will certainly do it\'s fair share of relief effort, but don\'t raise freaking taxes for it.  Let the people give money themselves.  This is a WORLDWIDE relief effort.  It\'s not just the freaking US who has to swoop in and hand out cash.  Let the people give money.  You\'ll probably end up raising more money in donations than you would by the government taxing.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 06:19:41 AM »
That is the whole point Fastson.  Don\'t raise my taxes - tell the Euro socialists to stop thinking politics.  

As for helping people half way around the globe... as the saying goes... charity starts at home.

IMO this is just another piece in the master plan to redistribute the wealth of prosperous and independent nations.

F the UN and its hidden agenda.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 06:51:38 AM »
Just ignore them, do what YOU can to help. This is the biggest catastrophe to hit the world in modern time.

Right now I think these people need our money more than alcoholic Sven around the block.

Red Cross is accepting money (thats where I put my money), Plan International also, Diakonia, Unicef. There are many many orginisations, Médecins Sans Frontières are sending medical staff down there, they\'ll need equippnet urgently.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2004, 08:03:07 AM »
Charity starts at home.  biggest catastrophe in modern times?  That remains to be seen.  

I find it hard to feel sorry for Sven the tourist on "holiday" just as much as you find it hard to feel sorry for Sven the alcoholic around the block.

What they need is to not build resorts and villages in areas that weren\'t meant to be built on.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2004, 08:54:49 AM »
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What they need is to not build resorts and villages in areas that weren\'t meant to be built on.


are you saying the ocean is a bad place for a resort to be located???

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 08:55:24 AM »
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Charity starts at home.  biggest catastrophe in modern times?  That remains to be seen.  


Over 55 000 people are dead, the UN said something like its one of the biggest catastrophes in size and cost of human life. Also the rebuilding costs will be huge, but that is probably secondary right now (at least fixing hotels etc. will, it will be a long time before they can take on any tourists)

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I find it hard to feel sorry for Sven the tourist on "holiday" just as much as you find it hard to feel sorry for Sven the alcoholic around the block.


Im not saying I dont feel sorry for Sven, Im saying, who needs the money mostly now? The people living in Phuket, Khon Lan is MY bet. Médecins Sans Frontières are urging governments across the world to help out, if not many many more people will die.

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What they need is to not build resorts and villages in areas that weren\'t meant to be built on. [/B]


Perhaps, but right now the money is going towards the people, medical assistance, food, building temporary living spaces for the people living in Sir Lanka, Thailand, India etc.

That’s all I have to say, at least I have tried to help out, even if its just a small part.


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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 09:03:42 AM »
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are you saying the ocean is a bad place for a resort to be located???

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Uh yeah, in this case it was and I doubt it is the first tsunami to happen in the Indian Ocean considering there is a major plate there.  I read that when the resorts were built, no villages had to be relocated because they were further inland.  Gee... I dunno maybe there was a reason for this?  Like this may have happened before?

Also one more thing...  if the ocean receeds half a mile something is definitely wrong - I repeat the moon DOES NOT cause the tide to receed a half of a mile.  These people saw this and didn\'t see it as a danger sign.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 09:39:36 AM »
CNN has put up a site with organisations that accept money right now to help out in region. For those of you who wish to help out with whatever you can.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/quake.aidsites/index.html
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 09:46:22 AM »
NM Saw your amount above.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2004, 09:52:49 AM »
As for this being the worst disaster in modern times, I don\'t think so.  

There are dozens of events in world history, mostly quakes and tsunamis, that have claimed 25-75K lives.

And even more recently, who is even aware of the terrible tsunami that took well over 200,000 lives in 1970 in Bangladesh and India? Or even worse, the 1976 China quake that "officially" listed over 200,000 dead, but much more likely is more like 660,000? And I don\'t have it on me but I seem to remember the horrible mudslides in Columbia in the 90\'s or late 80\'s that took over 100,000 lives.

This is indeed a terrible tragedy, but actually far more reported than some other more devastating disasters because this one occurred in many tourist destinations. Plus, like it or not, the international resources of cable TV (most especially CNN, which is still the most widespread international news force) have been able to report this disaster much more closely than those mega-disasters from even 20 years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2004, 10:47:10 AM »
Even if its not the worst (yet, 59 000 dead they claim now), its still one of the worst, Im sorry if I cant check my sources as I am far to upset!

They havent even been able to contact some of the islands closest to the earth quake.

1500 of my countrymen are missing, its just a small figure of all the people. It makes you think of the scale, 59 000 people is more people than currently living in my county!

EDIT: While on the subject, the worst earthquakes.

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23 januari 1556: 830000 döda i Shanxi, Kina.
 28 juli 1976: 255000 döda i Tangshan, Kina.
 9 augusti 1138: 230000 döda i Aleppo, Syrien.
 22 maj 1927: 200000 döda i Xining, Kina.
 16 december 1920: 200000 döda i Gansu, Kina.
 1 september 1923: 143000 döda i Kwanto, Japan.
 6 oktober 1948: 110000 döda i Asjchabad, Turkmenistan.
 28 december 1908: 100000 döda i Messina, Italien.
 27 september 1290: 100000 döda i Qili, Kina.


döda i = dead in
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2004, 11:43:56 AM »
United States = scapegoat of the world

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 12:17:27 PM »
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1500 of my countrymen are missing, its just a small figure of all the people. It makes you think of the scale, 59 000 people is more people than currently living in my county!

EDIT: While on the subject, the worst earthquakes.

 

döda i = dead in



County or country?  Are you referring to provinces?  I thought only the US used counties.  Anyway 59000 is about the size of my county.
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