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Offline Lord Nicon
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2005, 06:29:36 PM »
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Kid Nicon- That last part would mean something if you hadn\'t said anything else, but you obviously don\'t want to drop it, or you wouldn\'t have resorted to name-calling. I\'m a \'prude\' because I\'ve moved on past and now won\'t settle for what current consoles deliver? That doesn\'t make even a little bit of sense. RE4, which I have seen in motion, is not the best looking game this gen. Not even close. I don\'t know what TV\'s you all have, but I play a lot of my games on my friends HDTV and there\'s plenty of games especially on Xbox that are equal to or better in the graphics department. I need a \'reality\' check because we have different opinions on what looks good? Get a life dude, seriously. I didn\'t even say that the graphics were a reason I\'m not rushing to play it. One of my favorite games this gen is one of the ugliest: Morrowind. The definition of fugly. But you seem to be pretty incapable off accepting that someone else isn\'t getting hard over RE4\'s graphics. Too bad, get over it.

Yeah. Kid. Right.

Its funny how 7 sentences can produce all of this. I called you a prude and that automatically suggests that I intended to nudge you into some sort of silly debate over something so trivial? You say im jumping to conclusions yet cant help but do it yourself. It is true that RE4 may not be the best looking game this gen, but you can at least acknowledge that it looks decent.

Saying that you\'ve moved on in your mind just sounds silly. Maybe that makes sense to you, but when we havent even gotten to that (next)stage in reality, its just somewhat pointless. Its like somebody saying they wont buy new cars because they dont like the styling. They\'ve moved on (to the future) and will take public transit until their vision is achieved/reached w/e. Of course thats a little far fetched but it gets my point across.

We could go into all kinds of things "attemting" to prove the other to be making silly statements but like i said before, its not really worth it. Of course by making such a lengthy argument, it doesnt really help, but if you didnt read what little i did say well enough, I said that we have DIFFERENT OPINIONS. So stop typing all this unnecessary stuff trying to justify what youre saying when you basically stated the same thing i already said.
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« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2005, 08:00:18 PM »
God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.

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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2005, 11:18:50 PM »
Woohoo, it\'s been a long time since we\'ve had some real debating going on here. :D
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2005, 07:47:51 AM »
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God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.


thats what happens when someone chops your post and tries to make an issue of insignifigant things

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2005, 12:38:36 PM »
Hey guys... um.

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2005, 01:54:51 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2005, 11:04:08 PM »
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Yeah. Kid. Right.


:D

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Its funny how 7 sentences can produce all of this. I called you a prude and that automatically suggests that I intended to nudge you into some sort of silly debate over something so trivial? You say im jumping to conclusions yet cant help but do it yourself. It is true that RE4 may not be the best looking game this gen, but you can at least acknowledge that it looks decent. [/B]


If it was trivial, why say anything at all? And I did acknowledge it looks decent. Average is decent. Nowhere did I say it was ugly, or anything of the like.

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Saying that you\'ve moved on in your mind just sounds silly. Maybe that makes sense to you, but when we havent even gotten to that (next)stage in reality, its just somewhat pointless. Its like somebody saying they wont buy new cars because they dont like the styling. They\'ve moved on (to the future) and will take public transit until their vision is achieved/reached w/e. Of course thats a little far fetched but it gets my point across.[/B]


But as I said, I\'ve been gazing dreamily at the mock-ups of Xbox 2 games... which I\'m sure you realize will be here very soon. I can go a year without much gaming, I don\'t see the sillyness in waiting for Burnout 4 and Elder Scrolls Oblivion. And w/e else awaits.

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We could go into all kinds of things "attemting" to prove the other to be making silly statements but like i said before, its not really worth it. Of course by making such a lengthy argument, it doesnt really help, but if you didnt read what little i did say well enough, I said that we have DIFFERENT OPINIONS. So stop typing all this unnecessary stuff trying to justify what youre saying when you basically stated the same thing i already said. [/B]


Well said.


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God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.


Well... umm... you can talk about RE4 again if you want. I\'m sorry... :(


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thats what happens when someone chops your post and tries to make an issue of insignifigant things


You\'re the one who couldn\'t leave my opinion well enough alone, don\'t try to back out and pretend I dragged you into kicking and screaming into a discussion. I\'m always quite happy to have my posts stand unopposed. I\'m taking it you don\'t want me to respond to your other posts then? I will or won\'t based on your reply to this.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2005, 05:42:08 AM »
You are free to argue but God!Dont chop my post and write a paragraph for each sentence I write.I mean I ve got oher things to do too :nerd:

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2005, 11:26:18 AM »
Well... back to the game.  People who are beating say it\'s taking them just over 20 hours.  I only played it 6-7 so far but it feels like it\'s been forever!

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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2005, 04:53:06 PM »
I will then respond in order of your previous posts, Unicorn, with few quotes. I pray this doesn\'t confuse anything.

I am gay? If you truely think I am, sure, your opinion is valid. You can say that. You must understand however, that I either am gay, or I am not gay. Only one of those can be true. RE4 being good or bad is forever an opinion, it cannot factually good or bad.

I am saying that others opinions are \'wrong\' only in my view, from my perspective, in my opinion. Not in some universal sense that is absolute.

I wouldn\'t call myself an artist, but those are all valid opinions. And you only need explain if you want to explain. You don\'t owe me any explaination.

I don\'t work for any game sites anymore, and I\'m not a Capcom employee. I was speaking in generalities about the indistry as a whole. And people can buy a game and remain overly optimistic about the quality after playing it because of plenty of reasons. Not willing to go against popular opinion, not wanting to feel like they\'d wasted money, simply having low standards. I\'m not accusing anyone of these things, but they are certainly possible. Yes, I agree that the Driv3r scheme was apparent because it ended up being shite, but you aren\'t arguing that a company couldn\'t possibly pay off/bribe reviewers to ensure good reviews even if the game is good, for the sake of not taking chances, are you? I mean, plenty of good games get passed over by the gaming media, and Capcom has a lot riding on RE4 financially. It\'s not hard to believe they have so much riding on it that they would grease a few wheels to ensure it gets all the praise they want it to. I\'m not accusing Capcom specifically of doing this with RE4, just saying that it\'s both possible, and similar things have happened before.

"There is something that nobody can deny. Gamers\' opinions." I wouldn\'t deny their opinions. That wasn\'t my goal.

Overrated is simply my opinion of RE4. I don\'t ask that you agree. Obviously you like RE4, more than I ever could, so it stands to reason you think the hype level is about right. You could however see that if you weren\'t keen on RE4, how you might feel it was overrated as well, right?

I don\'t think the game sounds fun, as a game, and what I find fun is based on my tastes (as it is with everyone). How else can I tell you why I think it\'s overrated? I don\'t think it sounds fun, but it\'s being touted as one of the best games this gen. If there\'s another way to explain or defend my opinion that I think its overrated, I don\'t know what it is. How else would you \'prove\' something over (or under) rated if not by your opinion of what\'s fun/worthwhile?

"Personal tastes and objective judgment dont go together" This is a game. There is no such thing as objective judgment. It\'s ALL opinion, at every step of the way.

I realize some people hated RE and other games for rehashing. I don\'t really care about those ppl, they did nothing but prove they were fans of a new experience and not the game itself. If you enjoyed the game, it doesn\'t need to change, I\'ll stand by that. Does your favorite foods go from great to shite over time because they didn\'t evolve? No. They are great the way they are. A book, a movie, a game... you liked what it was or you don\'t. If someone hated RE for rehashing (I\'d argue they continuously got more action oriented and changed too much from RE1, but we wont get into that), they should have stopped buying them and moved on. I\'m upset about RE4 as a fan of the original. If I never liked any RE before, I would have no business caring or really complaining at all. If this game was called Resident Evil: Whatever and was an offshoot, I probably wouldn\'t care, but it\'s a main RE game. It\'s canon. And I don\'t think it belongs or fits.

Really... if they didn\'t like the games, they shouldn\'t have bought them. I would be happy with 100 KOTOR sequels that changed only in their story and graphics engine. That\'s what it means to actually be a fan of something. If people want the franchise name and nothing else the same, they aren\'t fans.

Tomb Raider 2 got good reviews... and if TR2-5 were more like the original, I\'d be happy. The 4th one took the series back to its roots, and is my second favorite. The others all tried to be different, and I wasn\'t too happy with them.

I would argue puzzles were at least half of the original RE, and that remains my favorite game in the series. RE4 might offer other things, but they are mostly things I don\'t want.

I understand what you\'re saying about it not \'lacking\' and that it simply might not fit my style. I don\'t deny either thing, it is in fact these things that are the basis for my opinion that the game is overrated. As in, others opinions of the game are higher than my opinion and I can\'t really understand what they see in it. That doesn\'t mean I don\'t respect their opinion. I just disagree, vocally.

"Well yeah probably I misunderstood the way you stated it." I think so too. :) I hope after all this you understand what I was saying better.

"Not exactly the majority.You judge it according to aesthetics and aesthetics arent a good indication of how good a game is.When the game gameplay plays well, sounds good, looks good, controls well and it shows all the great work and effort that was put into it then the game deserves its credit."

I chose to quote the whole reply here, because I think this goes to the core of why I play videogames. I play to be immersed in worlds, solve puzzles, hear/interact with a great story. Asthetics are one of the most important aspects of a game to me. I will suffer a bad control scheme for a good story and asthetics. I won\'t suffer a bad story or asthetics for good controls. By controls I mean both actual controls and gameplay. Sound is important too. Also, while I may recognize specific aspects of a game being good, if I\'m put off by the popular opinion or the majority of the game, I do not feel compelled to voice my recognition of the positive. Honestly, if everyone posted positive things and about things they liked only, I would find forums very boring.

I don\'t see the difference in approach really between us and the GT3 scenerio, except that you were unwilling to use the word overrated and I was...

I respect others opinions only so long as they respect mine. I\'m not familiar with this concept of spherical opinion you keep referring too. I looked it up and got a total of 8 pages on Google that even used the phrase, none defining it. Care to elaborate? I get the sense that it in somewhat means an opinion is more valid the more it is in line with the majorities opinion. If that\'s the case, I whole-heartedly disagree with this concept.

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2005, 05:38:20 PM »
^Far too much to read^

THERES NOTHING TO FEAR, SLIPPY\'S HERE!
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2005, 06:41:12 PM »
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HAYABUSA

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DARK SWORD OF CHAOS SUPER CHIBI KAWAI HAROOOOOOM![/size]
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2005, 11:13:16 PM »
^ LOL ^ WTF?

Chibi kawai Harooom?

I dont know about the haroom part but i know what chibi and kawai mean and if your talking about ninja gaiden then im totally lost. Actually - no matter what youre talking about - id still be lost.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
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Yessir massir ima f*** you up reeeeal nice and homely like. uh huh, yessum ; ).
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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2005, 05:59:41 AM »
It\'s what happens when Tecmo makes Ninja Gaiden into a Kart racer.
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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2005, 02:47:23 AM »
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God damn guys you totally ruined this thread. I dont know how the **** you guys wrote so much that wasnt even on topic, but you managed to do it.

I concur.

I\'m started to read some of it then get bored after I ponder where the hell that argument or claim came from. In Ethugg\'s reply I think there was a 500 word essay on killing retarded children somewhere in between legalizing heroin and undermining
the capabilities of weather channels by dialing in fake snow storms currently in progress.

Crazy.
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