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And people wonder why \'liberal\' is a bad word?
« on: February 05, 2005, 11:38:16 PM »
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He\'s Fought for His Views, Now His Job



By David Kelly

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BOULDER, Colo. — Ward L. Churchill has been angry for years, shaking a clenched fist at American power from the streets of Denver and the lecterns of academia.

He has compared his country to Nazi Germany and urged the hanging of "war criminals" like Henry Kissinger, President Clinton (news - web sites) and Madeleine Albright (news - web sites), the former secretary of State whom he called "that malignant toad."

Most of all, he has been a firm believer in karma: What America sows, it shall surely reap. "Payback," he said. "Can be a real mother."

For years, the radical views of the gray-haired professor in the dark glasses were heard mostly by his students at the University of Colorado at Boulder and his fellow travelers on the far left.

That all changed two weeks ago, when a paper surfaced that Churchill had written comparing victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to Nazis.

Now he\'s fighting for his academic life. Churchill has resigned as chairman of the ethnic studies department, but remains a professor. The university board of regents is investigating whether he should be fired, the governor wants him dismissed, the state Legislature has condemned him. And Indian groups are calling him a fraud, saying he\'s not a Native American, as he has said.

The controversy flared when Churchill, 57, was invited to speak at Hamilton College in Clinton, N.Y., on Native American prison issues. Before the lecture, a paper he wrote after the Sept. 11 attacks, "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens," was unearthed by Hamilton academics.

In it, Churchill argued that America deserved what happened Sept. 11 and had gotten off "very, very cheap."

Using occasionally crude language, he ridiculed Americans in general and spoke in admiring terms of the Al Qaeda hijackers.

If anything, he wrote, the "combat teams" were too patient and restrained in their attacks.

Churchill called the Pentagon (news - web sites) a legitimate target and said: "As for the World Trade Center…. Well, really. Let\'s get a grip here, shall we? … True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break."

The guilt of those who died at ground zero, he wrote, was having toiled in the "very heart of America\'s global financial empire." For that, Churchill called them "little Eichmanns," after Nazi leader Adolf Eichmann.

Hamilton College canceled the speech. On Thursday, University of Colorado regents publicly apologized to all Americans for Churchill\'s comments, while the state Senate passed a resolution denouncing the statements as "evil and inflammatory."

Controversy isn\'t new to Churchill. The longtime activist\'s writings include "Life in Occupied America," "Acts of Rebellion," "In a Pig\'s Eye: Reflections on the Police State, Repression and Native Americans" and "Fantasies of the Master Race."

Churchill did not respond to numerous requests for comment. But in a CNN interview Friday, he said he "probably could have been clearer" in his writing, but his goal had been to provoke the public. The point, he said, was to make Americans realize they were not immune to the suffering their government inflicted on others. As for the "little Eichmanns" comment, he said it didn\'t apply to janitors, food service workers and children killed in the attacks.

"I don\'t believe I owe an apology to anyone," he said.

Born near Peoria, Ill., Churchill has a master\'s degree in communications and is a U.S. Army veteran.

   

He has led numerous protests on behalf of Native Americans. Two weeks ago, Churchill and seven others were acquitted in the blocking of last year\'s Columbus Day Parade in Denver, which they said honored genocide.

"Ward is an extremely intelligent man, an advocate of nonviolence," said David Lane, a civil rights attorney representing Churchill. "He is very concerned about the underdog, both nationally and internationally. In this case, all he was doing was calling for an analysis on why 9/11 happened. When you are commenting on matters of public opinion, you can say whatever you want. He is blunt, direct and to the point — and that puts a lot of people off."

But others see him differently, including some Native Americans angry over his claims to be one of them.

At the top of his resume, Churchill lists his enrollment in the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians. Yet the chief of the Oklahoma tribe, George Wickliffe, said they "had no association with Churchill in any capacity whatsoever."

Churchill says he is three-sixteenths Cherokee.

Suzan Shown Harjo — president of the Morning Star Institute, a Native American rights group in Washington, D.C. — has Census data showing Churchill as born to parents listed as white. She said he had not shown up on the rolls of the tribes he said he belonged to.

"This is not a Native person. He goes around college campuses, saying he was at the occupation of Alcatraz, Wounded Knee and at the Bureau of Indian Affairs takeover in 1972. But no one can remember him being there," she said. "I was at the BIA takeover as a reporter, and I never saw him."

David Bradley, a well-known Indian artist in Santa Fe, earned Churchill\'s wrath by championing federal legislation that required those selling their work as Indian art to be able to prove their tribal ties.

"In the 1980s, money was flying like confetti around here. You had dozens of people pretending they were Indian and selling their art," Bradley said. "We had everything stolen from us for 500 years, and I wasn\'t going to let them take our art as well."

Churchill, who is also a painter, took issue with the effort.

"He wrote this slanderous attack about me. He tried to impugn my motives," Bradley said. "He ought to be fired. Shame on CU [University of Colorado] for giving this con man a job."

Bradley believes Churchill opposed the law because it affected his ability to sell his paintings.

Churchill attacked the 1990 Indian Arts and Crafts legislation, saying it gave rise to "witch hunts" among tribes looking for phony Indians and put undue importance on racial purity.

The American Indian Movement, based in Minnesota, has called for his dismissal from the university, saying he "fraudulently represented himself as an Indian" to build his career.

But firing a tenured professor isn\'t easy, and University of Colorado officials worry about stifling free speech.

For the next month, Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano will review Churchill\'s writings and recordings to see if there is evidence that could end in dismissal. Insubordination, incompetence and inciting violence are offenses that can lead to firing.

"One argument that could be made is that his writings and speeches have degenerated to a point where they are representative of professional incompetence," said Paul Campos, a law professor at the university and a columnist for the Rocky Mountain News. "In the same way, a college would not tolerate a member of the history department who said the Holocaust didn\'t happen."

Campos said even professors should have limits.

"A position that says you cannot fire a tenured professor because of anything he says is untenable — politically, morally and ethically," he said. "And I have had people in positions of power tell me that if this guy can\'t be fired, they can\'t support the notion of tenure."

Among Churchill\'s staunchest defenders are his students.

Thursday, dozens of them protested at the board of regents meeting, eventually shutting it down with their shouting.

"I agree with the spirit of his paper," said Shawn Baily, a former Churchill student. "If I wrote it, I wouldn\'t have put it that way. If they fire him, I will withdraw from the University of Colorado."

Even some who didn\'t agree with his Sept. 11 comments enjoyed his class, saying he welcomed dissent and argument.

"He\'s an amazing professor — the one I will always remember," said Darrell DeFabry, 21. "I was challenged on so many levels. How often can you say that?"


I have to give this wretched excuse of a shitsack masquerading as a human being one credit: He\'s honest enough to say what many liberals believe.

That said, he\'s still dispicable, and I can\'t think of enough horrible things to wish on him. If it were possible to be killed more than once, I\'d wish a million on him.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2005, 12:03:15 AM »
i don\'t think you\'ll find ANY liberals that agree with his 911 statements,..but yea this cat is definitely screwed in the head...just because you\'re a professor doesn\'t mean you\'re immune to bein one sandwich short of a picnic...
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2005, 01:32:29 AM »
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just because you\'re a professor doesn\'t mean you\'re immune to bein one sandwich short of a picnic...

Oh on the contrary, professors are actually more prone to being nuts.  They stick within the confines of the school because they can\'t hack it in the real world.

Well Tom Cruise said it anyway in one of his many 80\'s flicks. :p

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2005, 05:52:38 AM »
I don\'t agree with what he said, but he had the right to say it.

I\'d be more curious if in his class he presented his views or tried to persuade his students.

Saying the victims in WTC weren\'t innocent was ridiculous, even if his point that we have that kind of thing coming makes a bit more sense.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2005, 06:55:36 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2005, 07:09:48 AM »
I agree with atleast half of what he says.

Atleast.... the part about other liberals being bitches.

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Oh and after actually reading the article.... it is insanley biased and literally warps EVERY single point made in the essay itself.

I love the media.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2005, 08:48:10 AM »
This is the garbage our youth is being indoctrinated with.  He will be fired and hopefully more people will start looking more closely at the staff at their children\'s universities.  

He has a right to say this - but he shouldn\'t be holding the academic position he does while doing so.  I wish I had been one of this guys students - I would have had a field day on him.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2005, 08:49:47 AM »
Why shouldn\'t college professors be allowed to write essays???
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2005, 09:36:12 AM »
That is an opinion piece - skewed by his anti Americanism.  He is being paid by taxpayers because he is employed at a state university.  People don\'t want their tax dollars funding this guys teachings.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2005, 09:40:30 AM »
I believe that the essay was published somewhere completley seperare from the school.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2005, 12:32:48 PM »
It would be so awesome if terrorists attacked America, and only people like this guy died. Horribly.

He is an enemy of the state, and I hope someone finds out he is providing material support to his friends over there, so there\'s a pretext to arrest him for treason and execute him.

I don\'t think freedom of speech should protect him. Freedom of speech is not absolute. You can\'t yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Nor should you be able to propagandize for our enemies without consequence. What he\'s doing isn\'t simply using freedom of speech, he is helping terrorism and promoting the causes of the terrorists.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2005, 12:47:48 PM »
He\'s a writer, not a terrorist. Well I guess he is a terrorist, since his writing causes such problems. Which is why terrorism is such a weird word, it doesn\'t neccicarly relate to violence, yet it is used almost exclusivly with violence.

It\'s awsome how you relate essays to funding terrorism.  You might as well execute him for the essay using your philosiphy.


 And what the fuck did he say in his essay that is so bad?

His essay was very blunt, but the core of the essay was a simple and commonly stated message:

That terrorism is a result of American foreign policy.

He surley is NOT the first one to present that view.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2005, 01:11:09 PM »
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He\'s a writer, not a terrorist. Well I guess he is a terrorist, since his writing causes such problems. Which is why terrorism is such a weird word, it doesn\'t neccicarly relate to violence, yet it is used almost exclusivly with violence.


uh. its called TERRORism for a reason. Its using the act of violence. And osama clearly stated that he attacked because we helped Israel out. So maybe their pissed at our foreign policy now, but there were other things that led to 9/11.

And the guys a retard. But i dont think he should be put in jail or something extreme. Would be nice to see him on the news for trying to jump from one 40 story building to another.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2005, 01:33:08 PM »
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And what the fuck did he say in his essay that is so bad?

His essay was very blunt, but the core of the essay was a simple and commonly stated message:

That terrorism is a result of American foreign policy.

He surley is NOT the first one to present that view.


What wasn\'t so bad? All you have to do is read the article. It will tell every American why they deserve to die at the hands of Arab Terrorists.

This man is an unabashed cheerleader for our enemies. He applauds them, but is unhappy they were as restrained as they were. He points out with hope how many more such attacks are required to even the score.

This man is a terrorist who lacks the fortitude to actually kill Americans on his own, so he contents himself to merely applaud those who do, and hopes the death toll is as high as possible.

I agree, with one major excetpion: I hope those who die are only those who agree with him.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2005, 01:43:20 PM »
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uh. its called TERRORism for a reason. Its using the act of violence. And osama clearly stated that he attacked because we helped Israel out. So maybe their pissed at our foreign policy now, but there were other things that led to 9/11.  


It\'s actually called TERRORism because it induces TERROR.  Terror is not exclusivly the result of violence.
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