And people wonder why \'liberal\' is a bad word?

I just don\'t think you can take someone from the fringes of an ideology and use them as an example of what that ideology stands for.

The "Fringes" have very little in common with the two major parties. Infact, i\'d go so far as to consider them completley different groups.

The scariest part is there are teachers like this across the country indoctrinating their students, forcing their radical ideology.  

Wow, if College students are really stupid enough to blindly agree to what someone says, then it is proof that our schooling system doesn\'t work.

I\'m sick of this "Forcing your views" bullshit.  Everything is biased in one way or another, there is no middle point on any issue, because there are more then two sides.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster

Wow, if College students are really stupid enough to blindly agree to what someone says, then it is proof that our schooling system doesn\'t work.

I\'m sick of this "Forcing your views" bullshit.  Everything is biased in one way or another, there is no middle point on any issue, because there are more then two sides.

You my friend are an idiot.  Do you understand the idea of school?

Being a teacher he should objectively show ideas rather than force his views on the class.  On politics there might not be a middle but there sure as hell can and should be in class.

Don\'t make comments on college students when you\'re showing your simple high school kid thought process.

"Do you understand the idea of school?"

I understand the idea of public high school but colleges often have different goals, and it is not a universal standard set by the state.

"Being a teacher he should objectively show ideas rather than force his views on the class. On politics there might not be a middle but there sure as hell can and should be in class."

Umm, totally depends on the situation.
If the teacher presents his point of view, i have no problem with that. (Ward presents his POV and allows for argument)

If they are presenting their opinion without discussion, THAT IS WRONG.

Can we agree on this point?

And how can you say "There is not a middle" then say "There should be one" in class?

Didn\'t you just try and tell me it should be objective? Well isn\'t the school-board setting a middle-ground just as subjective as a teacher presenting his personal opinion without argument?

No, I\'m not your friend.  
The idea of school is different throughout history and culture.
And yes, I\'m in high school.

The political scene and school aren\'t the same.  And just as many teachers across the country, all my teacher does is talk about how his ideas are right and others are wrong.  Sadly college has no room for conservative students.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Bozco
You my friend are an idiot.  Do you understand the idea of school?

Being a teacher he should objectively show ideas rather than force his views on the class.  On politics there might not be a middle but there sure as hell can and should be in class.

Don\'t make comments on college students when you\'re showing your simple high school kid thought process.

College professors have worked their ass off on a specific field and they sure as hell are going to present their opinions. If somebody worked for 10 years and dedicated their lives to a certain perspective of our lives and decide to preach to everybody about it then it\'s their freaking right. As long as the class\' intention is met then there is no problem with it.

Besides, I would trust that somebody with a masters or a Ph. D says that what Giga or even Bush might say.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
College professors have worked their ass off on a specific field and they sure as hell are going to present their opinions. If somebody worked for 10 years and dedicated their lives to a certain perspective of our lives and decide to preach to everybody about it then it\'s their freaking right. As long as the class\' intention is met then there is no problem with it.

Besides, I would trust that somebody with a masters or a Ph. D says that what Giga or even Bush might say.

I agree they have put in their time and do deserve respect for all they\'ve done but many of them take their teaching job as a place to spout their political bullshit.  Hell I had a speech class and all my teacher did was talk about her liberal agenda.  The classes intention isn\'t pulling people to the left.

People in most jobs would be fired for spouting off crap like that. There\'s no reason a professor should be exempt. He is case proof that you can have a master\'s degree or doctorate and still be a collossal moron.

The first amendment guarantees that the government will not harm you because of anything you say. It does not mean that you can say any damn fool thing you want without consequence.

He deserves to get fired, and I hope he does.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by Weltall
People in most jobs would be fired for spouting off crap like that. There\'s no reason a professor should be exempt. He is case proof that you can have a master\'s degree or doctorate and still be a collossal moron.

The first amendment guarantees that the government will not harm you because of anything you say. It does not mean that you can say any damn fool thing you want without consequence.

He deserves to get fired, and I hope he does.

What if instead he was talking about how wonderful Bush is and compared all of the middle eastern\'s as terrorist and america haters? And of course, if he added a couple of "support our troops" and labeled himself a true American.


I doubt you would react the same way. It\'s his right to speak his mind and if he gets fired over such a thing I would not doubt a possible law suit.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
What if instead he was talking about how wonderful Bush is and compared all of the middle eastern\'s as terrorist and america haters? And of course, if he added a couple of "support our troops" and labeled himself a true American.


I doubt you would react the same way. It\'s his right to speak his mind and if he gets fired over such a thing I would not doubt a possible law suit.

I would react the same way.  I\'ll have a class of 45 come in and by the end of the quarter you\'ll see it around 20 people.  Half of the drops are cause they don\'t do work and the other half normally have the opposite view on politics.  I haven\'t had a conversative teacher yet but I think it\'s real lame that a teacher can get away with the things they do whether it be either side.

On a sidenote, you\'d be kidding yourself if you denied the liberal involvement in college teaching.

It all depends on what class your in... and no one is being specific. Obviously a history class should not be biased, and I find that most history classes in high school leave out a lot of choice material.

Originally posted by Bozco
Sadly college has no room for conservative students.

That is untrue. Southern and Ivy League schools have a lot of conservative students and professors.

In my experience, the classes that tend to give a glimpse into the professor\'s political leaning are (of course)political, philosophy, and some economics classes.

More idiotic remarks from Churchill:

Joe Scarborough played part of a radio debate between Churchill and the father of a victim of 9/11. The victim worked in one of the Twin Towers as an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. Here is a transcript of the exchange between Churchill and the father:

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

FATHER OF 9/11 VICTIM: My son was an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was 23, his first job out of college.

(CROSSTALK)

WARD CHURCHILL, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO: Well, I would like to do something here. I would like to engage you.

PETER BOYLES, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Let me ask him, if I could, before it gets away, Ward, would his son have qualified as one of the little Eichmanns?

CHURCHILL: Yes, he would have.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6935792/

How is that any different from the original post?

It would have been another moronic statement if he said the kid WASN\'T what he originally called him. (My point being, he is just being consistent... so there is no need to point it out twice.)

Later in your article:

"Well, more than that, don‘t call yourself a radical if you have tenure.  Everyone else in the world suffers consequences for the things they say, if they said something as outrageous as this.  These guys want to go around acting like big radicals, getting laid by coeds with hairy armpits, who probably don‘t like men, by going to conferences and saying, oh, yes, I‘m the one who said that."

Wow, that is insulting on so many levels, to so many different people.

SCARBOROUGH:  Coming up next, from Bill Cosby to the Super Bowl to Britney Spears, plus, female soldiers mud wrestling.  

:rolleyes:

What does that last quote have to do with anything?  Scarborough is just like O\'Reilly - he covers a variety of topics.  Yes there is a scandal of sorts involving female soldiers mud wrestling...  Trying to make him sound like Springer shows your lack of knowledge.

The fact is Churchill is a scumbag and just so you know - Churchill also claims the Jews made up the Holocaust, yet he calls the people in the Trade Center little Eichmann\'s - that should show you the idiocy of this so called tenured "professor".

If you can quote him on the holocost statement, i\'ll completley withdraw my argument.

Also, I just felt like quoting the last part because it made me chuckle. Plus, I hate how conservative hosts talk. :P