And people wonder why \'liberal\' is a bad word?

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
What does that last quote have to do with anything?  Scarborough is just like O\'Reilly - he covers a variety of topics.  Yes there is a scandal of sorts involving female soldiers mud wrestling...  Trying to make him sound like Springer shows your lack of knowledge.

The fact is Churchill is a scumbag and just so you know - Churchill also claims the Jews made up the Holocaust, yet he calls the people in the Trade Center little Eichmann\'s - that should show you the idiocy of this so called tenured "professor".

Churchill was tenured?!

Republicans just love being fed hate by these guys. You take some guy like Churchill, completely hate him for not believing what you do and then label him and throw him in our side.

I could care less about what this guy says. You love him because he makes your wild and extreme fantasies about liberals come to life.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by SirMystiq
Churchill was tenured?!

Republicans just love being fed hate by these guys. You take some guy like Churchill, completely hate him for not believing what you do and then label him and throw him in our side.

I could care less about what this guy says. You love him because he makes your wild and extreme fantasies about liberals come to life.

Of course you don\'t care what he says. He\'s your boy.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Of course you don\'t care what he says. He\'s your boy.

Yes, yes it is.

There, doesn\'t it feel great to have stupidity confirmed?

Prior to this incident, Churchill\'s scholarly reputation was based mainly on a squalid tract called A Little Matter of Genocide (1997), in which he argues that the murder of European Jews was not at all a "fixed policy objective of the Nazis," and accuses Jews of seeking to monopolize for themselves all that beautiful Holocaust suffering that other groups would very much like, ex post facto, to share.

He also argues that Jewish "exclusivism" had nearly erased from history the victims of other genocidal campaigns, and that Jewish scholars stressed the Holocaust in order to "construct a conceptual screen behind which to hide the realities of Israel\'s ongoing genocide against the Palestinian population."

He not only likened Jewish scholars who have argued for the unique character of the Holocaust to neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers; he said that the Jews are worse than the latter-day Nazis because "those who deny the Holocaust, after all, focus their distortion upon one target. Those [Jewish scholars] who deny all holocausts other than that of the Jews have the same effect upon many."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16917

^^^What you quoted is not the same as saying that Jews made up the Holocaust. He is saying that Jews were not the only people killed in the Holocaust but Jewish scholars have painted themselves as the only people who felt the wrath of genocide during the war.

The validity of the statement is not my place to judge but what I do know is that it is not the same as saying they made up the Holocaust.

You can distort the truth with the best of em Giga.

No distortion - he downplaying the fact that one of the theological goals of Nazism was to eliminate Jews from Europe - then he says Jewish Scholars are worse than today\'s Neo Nazi\'s that deny the holocaust?  WTF?  To me that is a kin to saying Holocaust didn\'t happen.

This all stems from his hatred for his own heritage (well 13/16 of it anyway) and the the treatment of Native Americans by Colonial America.  He claims to be Native American and   Sorry, but 3/16 Cherokee does not a Native American make.

This brings up a personal hook in addition to my intellectual motives. It comes with the fact that I am myself of Muscogee and Creek descent on my father’s side, Cherokee on my mother’s, and am an enrolled member of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians. I’m also married to an Ojibwe woman of the Lynx clan, from the Onegaming Reserve in Northwestern Ontario. The truth is, although I’m best known by my colonial name, Ward Churchill, the name I prefer is Kenis, an Ojibwe name bestowed by my wife’s uncle. So there’s that, and I suppose it speaks for itself.

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/wardchurchill.htm

Originally posted by GigaShadow
he (is) downplaying the fact that one of the theological goals of Nazism was to eliminate Jews from Europe - then he says Jewish Scholars are worse than today\'s Neo Nazi\'s that deny the holocaust?  WTF?  To me that is a kin to saying Holocaust didn\'t happen.

I\'m just not seeing that. He said the Holocaust DID indeed happen; but Jewish scholars have distorted the facts about HOW it happened. To him that is worse than denying it happened in the first place. I don\'t agree with him but I understand what he is saying.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
This all stems from his hatred for his own heritage (well 13/16 of it anyway) and the the treatment of Native Americans by Colonial America.  He claims to be Native American and   Sorry, but 3/16 Cherokee does not a Native American make.

There definately seems to be a lot of self hate going on there.

You are nothing but a revisionist as well BS if you actually "understand" where he is coming from.  Then again, you are in college so what can I expect?

I never said that I understand where he is coming from. I said that I understand what he is saying which apparently you do not. Especially seeing as how you have taken his statement and given the opposite meaning to it three times already.

Understanding the meaning of something does not equal acceptance of that same thing. But you are a closeminded conservative who generalizes and sees only black and white so I fully expect this statement to go in one ear(rattle around your skull for a second or two) and out the other.

A picture is worth a thousand words... exploiting a picture of Jews being rounded up by Germans (oh maybe they are gypsies, homosexuals, or whatever:rolleyes: ) and trying to apply it to US immigration policy.

Face facts here BS - the Holocaust was directly aimed at Jews - yes gypsies and other undesirables were targeted, but not on the scale that Jews were.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Face facts here BS - the Holocaust was directly aimed at Jews - yes gypsies and other undesirables were targeted, but not on the scale that Jews were.

Dude, I NEVER said it wasn\'t.

[EDIT]It may be better to say that I am not disputing that Jews were the focus of the Holocaust.

I\'m just looking at what dude said and trying to understand it.

Giga....

Your last post is completley unrelated to anything me or BS said.

But since you posted it...
The picture directly proves that Churchill knows the holocost happened. So thanks for destroying your own argument.

How is using that picture any different then Bush using 9/11 in campaign ads?  Dude, that is just fucking stupid. Comparing modern events to historical events is VITAL for progress. I love how people like to make Nazi Germany an untouchable subject, I\'m suprised Giga is not over in Europe trying to ban the Swastika with those other facist bastards.

This isn\'t directed toward you BS, but some others on here who are trying to defend this fraud...

Do a google on him and see what you come up with.  Amazing - as far as I can tell this guy is neither a Professor (he has his Masters Degree) and no one can find a trace of Native American blood in him.  

Found on the AIM Council on Security and Intelligence web page is this 1994 letter from Susan Shawn Harjo of the Morning Star Institute regarding the ethnic identity of Ward Churchill, once a member of one tribe or another, and now fairly exposed as a fake, a phony and a fraud. (This of course will result in his speaking fees increasing faster than his bookings at colleges around the country and in France.)

Still, it is interesting to see that Churchill\'s poseur status has been known for well over a decade. By everyone, it would seem, other than his employers and publishers.

What follows is a transcription of part of the text of the letter discussing a call Harjo received from one Regina Brave. Ms Brave asserted:

"...that she knew WC [Ward Churchill] when he surfaced in Boulder as an Indian of several other tribes before he settled on Cherokee/Creek/Metis, and that she never bought into his assertion that he was an Indian of any kind; 2) that another of the \'judges in Bellngham, Washington shared her concerns, and another, a woman from Canada, was on a scholarship at the University of Colorado and living with WC and his wife; 3) that she has heard WC claim that he provided firearms going into Wounded Knee in 1973; and 4) that she overheard WC tell another white man ... that he was an expert witness in the Bernard Escamillo trial in Council Bluffs, and that she called one of the men associated with the trial that said WC was not a defense witness, but that he recognized WC\'s name as a prosecution witness... From the way she relates a story, it could go either way...but it is a lead to follow tht might have documentable clues about not only what but who WC is.

Hope you have enough fax paper for all this."

More great stuff...

Other interesting reading includes:
1)Press Release on Churchill\'s brief times as an "associate Keetowah"; and
2) a page from the letter expelling Ward Churchill from AIM in 1993.

"A major agenda item was the need to deal with the wrath of \'wannabees\', instant shake and bake shamans, phony medicine men and women, artists, writers, and self-proclaimed \'AIM leaders\' who are really non-Indians masquerading as Indian people. These people for various reasons, whether it be romanticism, self grandeur, exploitation, greed, or possibly agents of Operation Cointelpro of the FBI and/or Operation Chaos of the CIA ... infiltrate the American Indian Movement and other organizations for the purpose of misdirecting, disrupting, and sowing division in order to discredit and neutralize the leadership of the American Indian Movement.

Two persons whose method of opertations (MO) fall clearly within this description is, of course, yøurself Mr. Churchill along with Mr Morris..."

There\'s more, much more, and it is fascinating, if not pretty, reading.

http://www.americandigest.org/mt-archives/005070.php

Statement issued by AIM:

Ward Churchill has been masquerading as an Indian for years behind his dark glasses and beaded headband. He waves around an honorary membership card that at one time was issued to anyone by the Keetoowah Tribe of Oklahoma. Former President Bill Clinton and many others received these cards, but these cards do not qualify the holder a member of any tribe. He has deceitfully and treacherously fooled innocent and naïve Indian community members in Denver, Colorado, as well as many other people worldwide.

http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html

So basically this guy lied about his ethnicity to gain tenure at a State instution of learning.  Let alone his idiotic views on 9/11 do you really think this person should be molding young minds?  He is a leftist piece of crap.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Giga....

Your last post is completley unrelated to anything me or BS said.

But since you posted it...
The picture directly proves that Churchill knows the holocost happened. So thanks for destroying your own argument.

How is using that picture any different then Bush using 9/11 in campaign ads?  Dude, that is just fucking stupid. Comparing modern events to historical events is VITAL for progress. I love how people like to make Nazi Germany an untouchable subject, I\'m suprised Giga is not over in Europe trying to ban the Swastika with those other facist bastards.

He did state that the Holocaust was fabricated - I am just trying to find it.  He has reversed himself numerous times on topics, essays, etc. which when his articles actually make sense I believe one of his obviously more intelligent underlings probably wrote it in his name.

Anyway, the picture and you buying into it is what is really scary about the future of this country.  Thank God my son will have the common sense you lack.  Comparing our government to the Third Reich is idiotic, so why am I not that surprised you find nothing wrong with it?  Oh and I have nothing against the Swastika or Nazi Germany - I love the History Channel and no if we were living in the Third Reich I would be their poster boy.  Hippy.

He only got tenure because he said he was a native american? Can you prove this?

I don\'t care if he is Native American or not.  I don\'t care if he was at Wounded Knee. If he says he was, that\'s great. But I just don\'t care.