Schiavo Case

Originally posted by GigaShadow
I am not sure if any taxpayer money is involved in this.  Also who are you to say she is dead?  Playing God now are we?

Wow, thats a bit of a stretch.

Originally posted by Coredweller
Michael Schiavo may be a bad guy, I don\'t really know.  All this stuff about his motivations is still speculation.  The fact is that he has the law on his side.  We can\'t make exceptions to the law just because we don\'t like somebody\'s personality or we think they have shifty eyes.  The court decision must be based on an objective application of law and precedent.  That is what has happened over the last seven years.

This is what the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals said:  "There is no denying the absolute tragedy that has befallen Mrs. Schiavo," the ruling said. "We all have our own family, our own loved ones, and our own children. However, we are called upon to make a collective, objective decision concerning a question of law."

That\'s what I support.  An objective decision based on The Law.

Nor do you want to know if he is a bad guy.  Entrusting this man to make a decision on a woman\'s life without considering his motivations is idiotic.  Maybe if you took the time to read about this man and his attorney as much as I have you might question the legal proceedings that have occured.

The parents are asking for a stay - to examine all the facts before she dies - I don\'t think that is asking too much.  The dissenting opinion even stated so.

In a strongly worded dissent, Judge Charles Wilson said refusing the parents\' appeal frustrates the intent of the U.S. Congress, "which is to maintain the status quo by keeping Theresa Schiavo alive until the federal courts have a new and adequate opportunity to consider the constitutional issues raised by plaintiffs."

I don\'t see the harm in letting the judicial system take its time on this while issuing a stay keeping her alive to see what the outcome is.  How can you argue against this?  The court options haven\'t been fully exercised as the parents attorney if given the time could appeal again to the 11th Circuit and have a 12 judge panel review it, but without food or water there will be no time to do this.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
I could really use a link for all of the stuff you just said.

I didn\'t know this, but looks like Shiavo\'s attorney is looking to cash in on Terri\'s death by writing a book.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/052501/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la.shtml

As for George Felos being the Chairman of Suncoast Hospice:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1002504/posts

Everything in the case stinks - you don\'t have to be a rocket scientist to see it.

Look it up your self - here http://www.google.com

Originally posted by SirMystiq

I rely on my teacher because, I don\'t know, she has a degree on history and political science. She\'s seen cases like this and used to be a lawyer. I don\'t know. Too many credintials for you maybe.

 

Sounds like a TV movie in the works... lawyer quits high paying job to teach minority children in poverty stricken neighborhood. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by SirMystiq

It\'s not a burden. I never said that. It\'s just useless. No point. The lady feels nothing. All she is now is a human body. Nothing else.

Brain damaged - not brain dead.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Wasn\'t Bush the one that signed that law in Texas that allows the hospital to pull the plug if it is necessary? I believe so. Also, since when does congress have the right to interfere in a state matter, Republicans have most of the time stood up for state rights. Now that they control the federal government, they choose to do the opposite.

I talked about this with Core earlier in this thread or was it the other thread? thanks to vid I can\'t keep track anymore...

Originally posted by SirMystiq

This isn\'t a political issue. This is an ethics issue. Ethics that the GOP supposedly holds very high in their agenda. It is not ethical to let somebody live in such a state only so the parents don\'t have to go through the process of actually acknowledging their daughter is no more.

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Yes it is ethical - as I have said before Michael Shiavo does not have his disabled wife\'s interest at heart, he has dollar signs in his eyes.  Once again Terri Shiavo is not brain dead - anyone who can look around and attempt to communicate is not dead.  Her situation has been made worse by her husbands refusal to give her therapy after the malpractice case.  As you can see by my link in one of these threads two RN\'s have stated in a sworn affidavit that they have seen Terri Shiavo try and communicate and have witnessed her husband obstruct any form of therapy attempted.

Originally posted by SirMystiq

Honestly, what country has the state that has executed more people than a freaking country\'s population?

WTF?  Speak english.

Update:  Supreme Court last stop.  I doubt the Supreme Court will even agree to hear it... really sad the creep is going to get "his" wish and some money to boot.

I am not sure if any taxpayer money is involved in this. Also who are you to say she is dead? Playing God now are we?

If the human race did not try to play god she would already be dead. Every time someone go\'s on life support we are playing god or if we give them medicine that cured them of a fatal disease that it playing god.

Nobody is playing god by saying she should be dead, because when it comes down to it, she should.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I didn\'t know this, but looks like Shiavo\'s attorney is looking to cash in on Terri\'s death by writing a book.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/052501/Floridian/The_spirit_and_the_la.shtml

As for George Felos being the Chairman of Suncoast Hospice:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1002504/posts

Everything in the case stinks - you don\'t have to be a rocket scientist to see it.

Look it up your self - here http://www.google.com

 

Sounds like a TV movie in the works... lawyer quits high paying job to teach minority children in poverty stricken neighborhood. :rolleyes:



Brain damaged - not brain dead.



I talked about this with Core earlier in this thread or was it the other thread? thanks to vid I can\'t keep track anymore...



Yes it is ethical - as I have said before Michael Shiavo does not have his disabled wife\'s interest at heart, he has dollar signs in his eyes.  Once again Terri Shiavo is not brain dead - anyone who can look around and attempt to communicate is not dead.  Her situation has been made worse by her husbands refusal to give her therapy after the malpractice case.  As you can see by my link in one of these threads two RN\'s have stated in a sworn affidavit that they have seen Terri Shiavo try and communicate and have witnessed her husband obstruct any form of therapy attempted.

 

WTF?  Speak english. [/B]

I thought her looking around was nothing more than reflexes or nerves just acting up?


And Giga, believe it or not yes. She did quit her job, because she became some sort of feminist, dumped her husband and went off on her own. I also have a teacher that has a PhD on chemistry...teaching chemistry. That man could be making major bucks, I\'ve never asked why he teaches. And another of my teachers, Mr. Wilson, used to work for Frito Lay and he invented or had to do with the creation of the Sun Chips and their bag. But something happened and they ripped him off and he now is a teacher.

You mean TYPE English.

And yes, I admit that sentence needs some fine tuning. But again,

WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING GOD FOR ALONG TIME! This girl has nothing to do with anybody, NOBODY in congress knew this girl and somehow they set out out save her. Just one person out of the entire population. I guess they needed to feel useful.

BTW, Bush oversaw the most amounts of executions in Texas in the world! Playing God.

And could is right.

Giga, I doubt you want whats best for this woman. You seem to be more blinded by the appereant greed that her husband has and you seem to only wish that the husband doesn\'t get the money so many say he wants. Have you ever thought about the woman at all?

The doctors have all said NOTHING CAN BE DONE. It\'s like putting in new batteries on a stereo that no longer plays music.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I am not sure if any taxpayer money is involved in this.  Also who are you to say she is dead?  Playing God now are we?

I do agree that the parents should have custody and then move her to a private facility or to their home and hire a nurse for her care.

She\'s on Medicare or Medicaid.  Whatever it is you be payin\'.

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
I don\'t see the harm in letting the judicial system take its time on this while issuing a stay keeping her alive to see what the outcome is.  How can you argue against this?  The court options haven\'t been fully exercised as the parents attorney if given the time could appeal again to the 11th Circuit and have a 12 judge panel review it, but without food or water there will be no time to do this.

My word.  It\'s been years and years and years of this.  Try living in Tampa.  We have been getting updates on this mess monthly for 10 years.

It has made it\'s way through appeals and appeals.

The Shindler\'s have never won a single thing. Unless of course you call filing appeals a win.



THey just appealed to the Supreme Court.  Now when they shoot it down, will it then be all appeals exhausted?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
  Once again Terri Shiavo is not brain dead - anyone who can look around and attempt to communicate is not dead.  Her situation has been made worse by her husbands refusal to give her therapy after the malpractice case.  As you can see by my link in one of these threads two RN\'s have stated in a sworn affidavit that they have seen Terri Shiavo try and communicate and have witnessed her husband obstruct any form of therapy attempted.

 

WTF?  Speak english.

Terry only posesses what we are born with.  When you touch a baby\'s hand, the hand will close around your finger.  THe baby doesn\'t know it\'s doing it.  It\'s just instinct.  
Same thing happens with Terry.  They are reactions.

And don\'t forget the video you are seeing is five years old.  She has been in this state for a very very very long time.  She has made absolutely no advances what so ever.  Numerous doctors who have been at her side all have said she is in a PVS.  The only doctors I have seen say anything positive for her always have a footnote that they have no first hand interaction.

And then yesterday a Nobel Prize winning Dr. stated that she was in a minor state of consciousness.  See this is the point - no one can say for sure she is dead.  I honestly don\'t see why most of you here wish to hasten her death when quite possibly the courts got it wrong.  

Of course she has made no "advances".  Michael Shiavo has not allowed any sort of therapy.  Once again I ask why won\'t he give guardianship of this woman over to the parents?  He wasn\'t married very long to her and he couldn\'t possibly know her better than her parents.

I also like how you avoid the sworn affidavits.  Obviously, they don\'t support your argument so why give them any thought?

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The Nobel Prize winning Dr.  has never seen Terry Shaivo.  Guess you forgot to throw in the little footnote.

The judge has never seen Terry Shaivo either - guess we are even.

You also failed to respond to my question yet again - why not let the parents assume gaurdianship?  Why won\'t Michael Shaivo do so?  Where is the harm in this?  I have heard both sides say they have heard what Terri would have wanted, but both are hearsay.

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i haven\'t chimed on this yet...heh everything that i was gonna say has been stated already,...i basically for the most think that they should just let her die...she\'s been like that for what? over 15 yrs?...what people don\'t understand is that she is not the only person in the united states with that condition..there are countless others in the same situation...if the gov\'t steps in to stop the wishes of the husband....that will open the flood gates for the other families that want their loved ones to be saved....

i would want my family members to live forever as well, but if they were in the state she\'s been in...especially for the amount of time she\'s been in...i\'d just let them die...

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
The judge has never seen Terry Shaivo either - guess we are even.

You also failed to respond to my question yet again - why not let the parents assume gaurdianship?  Why won\'t Michael Shaivo do so?  Where is the harm in this?  I have heard both sides say they have heard what Terri would have wanted, but both are hearsay.

But the judge heard testimony from doctors who WERE by her side.

You leave out a lot of little details.

And by the way.  The doctor that Busch had hang out with her also says she is at a PVS.

How sad that the parents want to keep their daughter alive and they can\'t do a damn thing about it.

There is way too much excitement by some to let this happen. Very sad indeed!!!