Schiavo Case

Originally posted by Ace
How sad that the parents want to keep their daughter alive and they can\'t do a damn thing about it.
 

Whats so terrible about this?  They need to move past their dead daughter.

Originally posted by videoholic
But the judge heard testimony from doctors who WERE by her side.

You leave out a lot of little details.

And by the way.  The doctor that Busch had hang out with her also says she is at a PVS.

Slow down, Vid. Don\'t cloud this thread with too much relevant information. Giga needs time to download the latest talking points on this nonissue.

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Originally posted by Bozco
Whats so terrible about this?  They need to move past their dead daughter.

i agree...and ace, we\'re not bein cruel about, we\'re bein realistic about it...

Originally posted by Bozco
Whats so terrible about this?  They need to move past their dead daughter.

What\'s so terrible? Oh, I don\'t know. I guess it ranks right up there with the family pet dying. My bad, sorry.

Yeah, but you usually get over a dead pet dying 15 years after it\'s officially dead :-P

See Yuz.

See, that\'s the thing, I don\'t equate people with pets. I know we live in a culture of death (just count up the abortions) but these parents are doing what a lot of us might do if we were in their place. I will not judge them for wanting to keep their daughter alive.

FYI:  It would appear that Carla Iyer\'s affidavit is bullshit, and I think it would be unwise to rely on it for anything.  NONE of the legitimate news outlets bother to mention her.  She is only a topic of discussion among bloggers and conservative zealots.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503230001

Judge George W. Greer, the Florida circuit judge who has presided over several aspects of the Schiavo case, dismissed Iyer\'s allegations as "incredible" and noted in a September 17, 2003, order that not even Terri Schiavo\'s parents sought her testimony in the case.

"The remaining affidavits deal exclusively with events which allegedly occurred in the 1995-1997 time frame. The court feels constrained to discuss them. They are incredible to say the least. Ms. Iyer details what amounts to a 15-month cover-up which would include the staff of Palm Garden of Lago Convalescent Center, the Guardian of the Person, the Guardian ad Litem, the medical professionals, the police and, believe it or not, Mr. and Mrs. Schindler. Her affidavit clearly states that she would "call them (Mr. and Mrs. Schindler) anyway because I thought they should know about their daughter." The affidavit of Ms. Law speaks of Terri responding on a constant basis. Neither in the testimony nor in the medical records is there support for these affidavits as they purport to detail activities and responses of Terri Schiavo. It is impossible to believe that Mr. and Mrs. Schindler would not have subpoenaed Ms. Iyer for the January 2000 evidentiary hearing had she contacted them as her affidavit alleges."

Hannity mentioned her last night on Hannity and Colmes and interviewed the other nurse Erica Law.  You also failed to mention CNN had her on as well.

As for Media Matters - liberal site FYI.  They even say so.

Originally posted by Ace
What\'s so terrible? Oh, I don\'t know. I guess it ranks right up there with the family pet dying. My bad, sorry.

Too bad she died forever ago and they won\'t let it go.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Hannity mentioned her last night on Hannity and Colmes and interviewed the other nurse Erica Law.  You also failed to mention CNN had her on as well.

As for Media Matters - liberal site FYI.  They even say so.

The link was intended to give you access to a quotation from a Florida Judge, not some nameless liberal from mediamatters.org.  

Hannity & Colmes is on Foxnews, that bastion of reason and thoughtful discussion. :rolleyes:  What more do I need to say?  Prior to this, she appeared on two television programs, CNN\'s "Live From..." and Fox News "Fox and Friends."  I don\'t consider either to be a legitimate, respectable news source.  Why is this not reported by any newspapers, or used by the Schindlers to support their arguments?  It\'s because those who understand the case realize she is not a credible witness.

Just do a search on her name in google, and take a look at the domain names that mention it....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Carla+Iyer&btnG=Google+Search

LMAO Fox and CNN not legitimate news sources.  And you said I was fringe?

You do know giving a false affidavit is a crime do you not?  If it was why didn\'t Judge Death charge them?

She was discussed on some worthless pundit shows where the most important factor is sensationalism.  Do you watch that crap?  I don\'t for good reason.  It\'s not news, it\'s entertainment.  

Tell me why this hasn\'t appeared in any real newspapers.  There is a difference in quality between the many levels of media available to us.  You have made no effort whatsoever to evaluate this source.  You merely like what she\'s saying, so you choose to believe it and push it on us as some kind of unassailable hidden agenda.  

Are you a conspiracy theorist, Giga?  Do you believe that the convalescent center staff, medical professionals, police, and the parents all conspired to keep this information secret?  Who\'s wearing the aluminum hat now?  

Please media is media - and while you may prefer some over others, you can not deny that these outlets do report the news.  What the two nursing assistants have said is all about Michael Shiavo - not about Terri\'s condition.  Actually they don\'t dispute what the medical examiners have stated about her condition.  

You still fail to see what I have an issue with in this case - Michael Shiavo.  Once again I ask - what is the harm in letting her live and be cared for by her parents?  You still have managed to dodge that question.

No there is no conspiracy here, just one person who is being selfish.

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well what is the law? id she\'s still married to her husband..and if she told him that she didn\'t want to live in that state then case closed...she\'s married to her husband...not her family...

i mean i really just know that part of it..maybe this cat wanna see other women...and if that\'s the case i really can\'t blame him...and he might feel kinda gulity bein with somebody else while his ex wife is in the hospital....

ultimately tho the gov\'t shouldn\'t have gotten involved in this matter...

Originally posted by clips
well what is the law? id she\'s still married to her husband..and if she told him that she didn\'t want to live in that state then case closed...she\'s married to her husband...not her family...

i mean i really just know that part of it..maybe this cat wanna see other women...and if that\'s the case i really can\'t blame him...and he might feel kinda gulity bein with somebody else while his ex wife is in the hospital....

ultimately tho the gov\'t shouldn\'t have gotten involved in this matter...

There are other factors here clips - Terri\'s close friend had stated that things weren\'t all that great with their marriage and Terri was getting ready to leave him.  Then again we won\'t know the truth.  I tend to believe from what I have heard about the guy that her parents would have been the better choice to have guardianship due to the length of time they were married, the health of the marriage and Mr. Shiavo\'s current living situation.

What we do know is that Shiavo\'s character and actions have repeatedly been brought up by people involved in the case - the CNA\'s, the family and friends of the family.  Unfortunately, we will never find out what her true wishes were.

In any event, this story is over.  Barring some radical move by Jeb Bush or the 11th Circuit this matter is closed.