Schiavo Case

[CHIZZY]

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yup... I think we should start a new "republican" party. "The common sense Republicans". Where we don\'t fanatically follow the teachings of invisible men who have been dead for 2000 years.

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BTW, It\'s rather strange to argue that DeLay\'s case with his father and the Terri Schiavo case are "totally different."  Both were brain damaged vegetables, and both were kept alive by medical assistance.  What difference does it make what machines or tubes were used to provide assistance?  It\'s completely stupid to pretend these cases are so different.

Also, I am not arguing FOR euthanasia, even though I think what DeLay did for his father was right.  I\'m arguing AGAINST politicians sticking their noses into personal family matters for political gain.  These situations are best kept between the caregivers, doctors, family, and ultimately the judges.  The legislative and executive branches have NO BUSINESS getting involved.

Originally posted by CHIZZY
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yup... I think we should start a new "republican" party. "The common sense Republicans". Where we don\'t fanatically follow the teachings of invisible men who have been dead for 2000 years.

I just want to say that I too would like to see a return of that old Republican party.  The one I grew up with.  You knew where you stood with them, even if you hated their guts.

They might have been cold-hearted anti-environment, anti-labor, anti-human rights, anti-public health, pro-corporate, money grubbing BASTARDS, but at least they made policy decisions based on rational considerations.  Not "what would jesus do" or "we must crusade to smite the heathen muslims..."  :rolleyes:

The same could be said about the Democratic Party.  You all have been taken over by the Michael Moore/Move On/Dean folks.  Yeeee Ahhhh!!!!  :rolleyes:

As for Delay - it is a totally different situation as his vital organs were failing and even if it wasn\'t as you claim, his fathers wishes were never in doubt.  Even though I am not religious - who am I say they are wrong about their faith and convictions?  Talk about intolerance...  

As for the Republican Party giving into the the far religious right - Funny how they are taking heat for not doing enough for Terri.    

Crusade to smite heathen Muslims?  What politician said that?  Sometimes I really wish Kalifornia would fall into the sea  

I also have a sneaking suspicion Vid and Chizzy are RINO\'s.

[videoholic]

THey aren\'t getting heat by many.  They are getting heat from the loud few.  An overwhelming majority of people agree on all political sides agree that she should have her tube removed.

Originally posted by Coredweller
They might have been cold-hearted anti-environment, anti-labor, anti-human rights, anti-public health, pro-corporate, money grubbing BASTARDS, but at least they made policy decisions based on rational considerations.  Not "what would jesus do" or "we must crusade to smite the heathen muslims..."  :rolleyes:

Boy, that playbook never gets updated, eh?

Originally posted by videoholic
THey aren\'t getting heat by many.  They are getting heat from the loud few.  An overwhelming majority of people agree on all political sides agree that she should have her tube removed.

But here is what you continue to fail to see - this isn\'t a political issue.  For all the discussion about politics motivating certain individuals you would think it is...  Could it possibly be someone\'s faith, belief or conviction that life is sacred be the motivation?  At first I didn\'t particularly like the fact that Congress did what it did, but considering how the Judiciary Branch thinks it is the branch of government that doesn\'t have to answer to anyone for whatever it does - I am able to appreciate their attempt even if symbolic.  No politician overstepped their bounds and went outside the law on this issue - not a one.    

You can claim she is brain dead all you want, but the fact is you don\'t know and even the experts that say she is in a PVS can\'t say with a hundred percent confidence that she is.  The fact is science does not fully understand the complexities of the human brain.

I also find it ironic that someone can make light of this woman\'s plight and then emotionally sympothize when someone\'s pet dies or should I say stoically "put down". :rolleyes:  

Maybe Ace was on to something when he made the statement comparing this to a family pet getting put down earlier in this thread...

[videoholic]

She isn\'t brain dead.  She has NO cerebral cortex.  The only thing she has is the end of her spinal chord which controls all of her involuntary functions.  That is why she is able to stay alive, but not know it.

Originally posted by videoholic
She isn\'t brain dead.  She has NO cerebral cortex.  The only thing she has is the end of her spinal chord which controls all of her involuntary functions.  That is why she is able to stay alive, but not know it.

This has become a circular debate on both sides.  

Debating this further from my perspective is pointless.  There is nothing to be done but to wait until she is dead.  Until that time the thread will stay open and after that it will be closed.

Originally posted by Ace
Boy, that playbook never gets updated, eh?

Don\'t blame me if the GOP has a PR problem.  I haven\'t seen any effort on the part of Republican leadership to change our perception of them.  They make up labels like "compassionate conservatism" but their actions contradict the label.

Originally posted by videoholic
BS, you got some nips showing?  Or is that just wishful thining....

Wishful thinking, my friend.

Why isn\'t this lady dead yet? How long does it take to starve?

About a week and half, just get it over with, like I said line me if with some syringes and a heavy dose of kill me juice if I end up like that.

Originally posted by mjps21983
About a week and half, just get it over with, like I said line me if with some syringes and a heavy dose of kill me juice if I end up like that.

At least we have written proof. Do we have that in this case?

No, we just have a waste of space.

Lol, at Boz, no we don\'t have exact proof thats what the experts are saying and the last time I checked none of us are experts on this brain damage issue. But from what I\'ve heard its about 10 days before someone dies of dehydration.