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Offline Ghettomath
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Separation of Church and State
« on: April 25, 2005, 02:31:17 PM »
Today\'s New York Times features a picture on the front page depicting an evangelical Christian rally at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Kentucky. Projected onto two giant screens at the front of the church is the image of Bill Frist, Repulican party leader. At the bottom of the screens are the phone numbers of local lawmakers.

The article states:
"In a Sunday telecast organized by Christian conservation groups to denounce the Democrats as \'against people of faith\' for blocking judicial nominees, Senator Bill Frist of Tennesse stepped up his threats to change Senate rules to circumvent those blockade while simultaneously calling for \'more civility in political life.\'"

I have a problem with something we seemed to be forgetting in this country. Our first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (AKA the separation of church and state)

Do believe Bill Frist and the "religious right" are in violation of this? Is voting based on religious morals in violation of this? Is the current morals-centered administration taking advantage of a trend in Americans? Are Democrats \'against people of faith\'?
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Re: Separation of Church and State
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2005, 04:12:21 PM »
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Are Democrats \'against people of faith\'?




No, they are just confused individuals.  Leftists suck!
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Re: Separation of Church and State
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005, 06:14:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Ghettomath

Do believe Bill Frist and the "religious right" are in violation of this? Is voting based on religious morals in violation of this? Is the current morals-centered administration taking advantage of a trend in Americans?


Care to buy a clue? :rolleyes:

You are screaming that this country has become a theocracy when nothing could be further from the truth.  People make decisions based on a lot of things and now you want to create some sort of "thought police" to make sure people aren\'t thinking about anything related to their faith or religion when making decisions?

Read your own post and it answers your own silly question.

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (AKA the separation of church and state)


You see that up there in bold Ghetto?  OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF.

What law has been made to establish a state religion?  None.

Seems to me a few of you who are rabidly anti religious and post against it want to force "your" views on anyone who disagrees and has faith.  I dunno, maybe people with faith scare you because you lack it.  In any case you are just another example of the intolerant left.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 06:50:17 PM »
As someone who lives near Louisville, KY, let me say this.

If it happens here, it probably isn\'t worth the time it took to write a story up like this.

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005, 06:53:41 PM »
idk. I got bored
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I don\'t have comprehension issues, you just need to learn how to communicate.
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2005, 07:25:42 PM »
Giga lives in Alabama. I could never EVER put my finger on why he is the way he is, but now I know.

And I laugh and realize that everything that is the steryotype of the southern states is true.


Anyways. The religious right has pretty much a hold on every Christian/Republican balls. They do as they are told in the name of God. I think its hella wrong personally. But it\'s not illegal. It\'s just the ignorance of people that are willing to put the face of God on somebody like Bush who isn\'t even slightly a good Christian.

Christian+A person from Alabama, Kentucky, Texas, Tennesse etc = Hardcore brainwashed Republican
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 07:35:34 PM »
An illegal immigrant working a wallmart who pretends to slightly informal on an internet message board=hardcore brainwashed Democrat.

Weeee.
Who is this anamoly we call Jumpman? How is he able to do what he does and still survive after years of torment? It seems he feeds on the hate, growing with an intense passion to put unassuming members in their place.

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 07:41:32 PM »
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An illegal immigrant working a wallmart who pretends to slightly informal on an internet message board=hardcore brainwashed Democrat.

Weeee.


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I\'m not illegal stupid!

I\'m not "brainwashed" just very gullible.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 07:46:07 PM »
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I just read what I said and wtf spelling and left out word mistakes. Time to bring in the A material.

You work at Wallmart.

still got it!
Who is this anamoly we call Jumpman? How is he able to do what he does and still survive after years of torment? It seems he feeds on the hate, growing with an intense passion to put unassuming members in their place.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 07:51:08 PM »
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Originally posted by Jumpman
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I just read what I said and wtf spelling and left out word mistakes. Time to bring in the A material.

You work at Wallmart.

still got it!


I noticed that, but I didn\'t feel like being a smart ass today. I feel good today for some reason.

I like you anyways.

Actually, I have a job interview at UPS!!!

They pay me for putting packages in a truck AND give me 3k a year for college!



Back on topic though:

Religion is being misused by those with power nowadays.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 04:32:12 AM »
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Giga lives in Alabama. I could never EVER put my finger on why he is the way he is, but now I know.


Really why is that?  I haven\'t lived here my whole life - I have lived around the world.  I was raised primarily in the NE - so there goes that whole argument.

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And I laugh and realize that everything that is the steryotype of the southern states is true.


Anyways. The religious right has pretty much a hold on every Christian/Republican balls. They do as they are told in the name of God. I think its hella wrong personally. But it\'s not illegal. It\'s just the ignorance of people that are willing to put the face of God on somebody like Bush who isn\'t even slightly a good Christian.


This proves you never read anything I post.  I AM NOT RELIGIOUS.  I DON\'T ATTEND CHURCH.  How many times do I have to say it Mystiq until you get it.  The founding fathers wanted freedom of religion NOT freedom from religion, which is what you want.  I also find this amusing since your house is decorated with a picture of Jesus and other religious artifacts.

Who does what in the name of God?  Where do you get this horse shit?  You are mixing up Islamic Fundamentalism with Christians here in the US.

Where do you get all this "face of God on Bush" shit?  I don\'t know anyone who thinks like this.  For you to judge who is a good Christian and who is not is laughable.

More ramblings from the insane left...  

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Christian+A person from Alabama, Kentucky, Texas, Tennesse etc = Hardcore brainwashed Republican


Mexican+A liberal in Texas, Arizona, California and NM = illegal alien.

Makes about as much sense doesn\'t it Mystiq?
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 07:15:41 AM »
dont forget he works at walmart!
Who is this anamoly we call Jumpman? How is he able to do what he does and still survive after years of torment? It seems he feeds on the hate, growing with an intense passion to put unassuming members in their place.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 05:38:03 PM »
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I like you anyways.

Actually, I have a job interview at UPS!!!

They pay me for putting packages in a truck AND give me 3k a year for college!
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Could you please not post in this forum anymore? This is the third thread of mine you have hijacked.

Giga and I might not agree on much, but I\'m with him on the fact that you bring nothing but the inane to these threads.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 08:00:42 PM »
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Really why is that?  I haven\'t lived here my whole life - I have lived around the world.  I was raised primarily in the NE - so there goes that whole argument.

 


Yeah, that\'s pretty much it for that argument. But why move to Alabama?
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This proves you never read anything I post.  I AM NOT RELIGIOUS.  I DON\'T ATTEND CHURCH.  How many times do I have to say it Mystiq until you get it.  The founding fathers wanted freedom of religion NOT freedom from religion, which is what you want.  I also find this amusing since your house is decorated with a picture of Jesus and other religious artifacts.

Who does what in the name of God?  Where do you get this horse shit?  You are mixing up Islamic Fundamentalism with Christians here in the US.

Where do you get all this "face of God on Bush" shit?  I don\'t know anyone who thinks like this.  For you to judge who is a good Christian and who is not is laughable.



Don\'t hog the Republican glory here Giga. I wasn\'t talking about you I was talking in general and what goes on AROUND you. Hard to think about that huh?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wbush30.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/30/ixworld.html

Conservative Christian leaders who played a key role in securing President George W Bush\'s re-election have given the White House an ultimatum over outlawing same-sex marriages.

 
 
 
 
In an indication of tension among Mr Bush\'s backers, a new coalition of powerful Christian groups issued their warning last week in a letter to Karl Rove, the President\'s chief adviser.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/24/justice.sunday/index.html


Conservative Christian leaders used a nationally televised rally Sunday night to urge an end to Democratic filibusters against several of President Bush\'s nominees for federal judgeships.
More ramblings from the insane left...  

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/07/specter.judiciary/index.html

The comments from James Dobson, founder of the nonprofit Christian organization Focus on the Family, came four days after the moderate Republican from Pennsylvania told reporters that any Supreme Court nominee intent on overturning Roe v. Wade probably would not win Senate approval.



http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/18/bush.faith/index.html

 "I welcome faith to help solve the nation\'s deepest problems," President Bush told a convention of religious broadcasters last week.

You have got to be lying about you not knowing how many Republicans only drive is that they see Bush as a God picked president. Remember the flyers and the false accusations that Kerry would "Burn Bibles" and promote homosexuality.

The Christian right IS A STRONG force that has pretty much kept Bush where he is.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4141485

Morning Edition, November 3, 2004 ยท The 2004 election produced more than a few surprises. Exit polls revealed that moral values trumped Iraq and the economy as a top voter concern. And for the first time, Hispanic voters cast their ballots evenly between the Democratic and Republican candidates. Hear NPR\'s Cokie Roberts and NPR\'s Renee Montagne.


Churches across America screamed for their flock to support Bush and denying that it happened would just be plain ignorant.

Let\'s suppose that Bush doesn\'t come out and tell America that he is going to do everything based on Christian ideals. Wouldn\'t that still be mixing the power he has over this country with his own personal religion? Wouldn\'t that breach the separation from Church and State if a president openly acts based on his religious beliefs?

The majority of the Republicans support such ideals and agree with Bush on basically any issue. Wouldn\'t that mean that if they are all for Christian ideals, the government has a chosen religion? Because the way I see it, if the majority of the government officials choose to act according to their faith and try their hardest to please their Christian followers, that is pretty much the government saying "here, vote for us we\'re Christians like you!"


I was just kidding about the last line. C\'mon, even YOU know about the reputation those states have.
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2005, 08:02:15 PM »
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Could you please not post in this forum anymore? This is the third thread of mine you have hijacked.

Giga and I might not agree on much, but I\'m with him on the fact that you bring nothing but the inane to these threads.


...I\'m sorry...?

I have no idea how you can "hijack" a thread by the way...
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

 

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