ATI & MS unviel xbox360 gpu official

Perhaps there is some secret translation in this---->xbox360>ps3 I still havent figured out

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by QuDDus


The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.

 

PS2 has 3.2 GB/s of system Ram and 48 GB/s of 4 mega embedded VRam for a total of 51.2 GB/s total system bandwidth....

but XBox can do better graphics with its total of 6.4 GB/s total system bandwidth thanks to its whole architecture.....

And he got this from http://www.beyond3d.com ???

[Evi]

QuDDus...you have no idea what the hell you\'re talking about. Just thought I should let you know.

The xbox actually has dobule the TFLOP performance.

I don\'t know what a dobule is, and the 360 doesn\'t have twice the TFLOP performance. The 2 systems are much closer than that.

And you\'re a retard for posting that bandwidth comparison because it\'s 100% bullshit and has been proven to be utter crap by many different sites.

Quddus:

uhhh meh... don\'t label me for you don\'t even know me. Don\'t try and discredit me because you have no clue wtf you\'re talking about

And I never said one system was better than the other. Where are you pulling this from? Oh yeah....out of your ass.

Whoops, my bad:

well my statements were confirmed. I knew ATI would make the better gpu.

I see the xgpu being more versatile and producing more performance over based on the chip design. But both gpu\'s seem to be impressive. It will comedown to overall design. ps3 seems to have gone the raw power route. And xbox360 seems to have gone for a better overall design.

Funny thing is, those quotes above are from your posts that were made just after PS3\'s specs were released - at that time, we didn\'t have accurate information on the Xenos part, yet that obviously didn\'t stop you from already concluding that "ATI would make the better gpu" or "XGPU being more versatile and producing more performance". You also seem to miraculously conclude that the Xbox360 seems to have gone for a better overal design - BASED ON WHAT?

But please, please DO continue. I already find it amusing enough that after that good laugh, you claim that I\'m the one pulling things out of my ass. Quddus, how about you stand in front of a mirror and take a good, long look...

Originally posted by seven
Quddus:



Whoops, my bad:





Funny thing is, those quotes above are from your posts that were made just after PS3\'s specs were released - at that time, we didn\'t have accurate information on the Xenos part, yet that obviously didn\'t stop you from already concluding that "ATI would make the better gpu" or "XGPU being more versatile and producing more performance". You also seem to miraculously conclude that the Xbox360 seems to have gone for a better overal design - BASED ON WHAT?

But please, please DO continue. I already find it amusing enough that after that good laugh, you claim that I\'m the one pulling things out of my ass. Quddus, how about you stand in front of a mirror and take a good, long look...

Umm seven where have you been? First of all,  there had been tons of information on the xbox360 gpu. I mean the layout of the chip design was even leaked. I can\'t imagine why you failed to see this information. Umm maybe you just did not care too look?

I mean the internet was crawling with information and leaked specs. Before it was even said that the original specs where wrong. Nerds and geeks where already saying the obvious. Based on everything I have read and study about the xenos gpu I believe it to be the better. It is being custom built for performance after all.

Gimme ATI and custom built gpu over Nvidia anyday. Bases on how they fucked ms last gen. Nvidia is full of mistakes. And seeing how the ps3 gpu looks like a housing for the cell.

You still did not tell me how I said 360 is more powerful than ps3? All I see are playstation elites talking out of thier ass. I am talking gpu\'s that all. I never once concluded that xbox360 would be more powerful than ps3 ever.

All I was saying is that xbox360 would have the better gpu.

I don\'t know what a dobule is, and the 360 doesn\'t have twice the TFLOP performance. The 2 systems are much closer than that.

First of your the one who\'S an idiot. You have no idea what the hell your talking about. The xbox360 gpu is faster than Microsoft had originally listed it. I guess you have no idea how fast it is. And with that said. How can you question anything?

Look at the first released specs and then look at the final specs.
You\'ll find your answers.

And he got this from http://www.beyond3d.com

Nope. I got it from that IGN article that claimed xbox360 was more powerful than ps3. I didn\'t even bothered to go indepth to see if the information was correct. I just thought it would be funny to see what kind of flames it would spark.

Nope. I got it from that IGN article that claimed xbox360 was more powerful than ps3. I didn\'t even bothered to go indepth to see if the information was correct. I just thought it would be funny to see what kind of flames it would spark. [/B]

Well the first thing IGN said was that MS sent it.That alone takes away the validity of the article.
It is expected that some will disagree if mentioned as proof that XBOX360 GPU>PS3 GPU since it was completely made up.

I ve been browsing beyond3d to see more information yet nothing indicates to XBOX360 having a more powerful GPU.

Actually the people there found cons and pros in both GPU architectures and still they lack enough information to conclude.

PS3\'s GPU was mentioned later that it was also custom made btw.

Where did you get that information?

[Evi]

IGN had nothing to do with that article. Microsoft sent them f*cked up numbers that were based on lack of technical knowledge and bad math.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Well the first thing IGN said was that MS sent it.That alone takes away the validity of the article.
It is expected that some will disagree if mentioned as proof that XBOX360 GPU>PS3 GPU since it was completely made up.

I ve been browsing beyond3d to see more information yet nothing indicates to XBOX360 having a more powerful GPU.

Actually the people there found cons and pros in both GPU architectures and still they lack enough information to conclude.

PS3\'s GPU was mentioned later that it was also custom made btw.

Where did you get that information?

Oh I never took the article as being valid. I wouldn\'t even attempt to make a case seeing the source.

I don\'t recall saying ps3 is having a custom built gpu. Everyone already knows that it\'s not. Must have been a mistake.

The RSX was made with the PS3\'s specs in mind.Its not an off the shelf PC GPU with a few tweaks.
The Cell and the GPU are created with each other\'s capabilities in mind.
And from what I ve understood in beyond3d their is more flexibility thanks to Cell\'s flexibility since they exchange work with each other(RSX).

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36643

Those who aren\'t in the know seem to think it\'s an off-the-shelf PC GPU, but in reality, they are totally different in their architectures.

Originally posted by Unicron!
The RSX was made with the PS3\'s specs in mind.Its not an off the shelf PC GPU with a few tweaks.
The Cell and the GPU are created with each other\'s capabilities in mind.
And from what I ve understood in beyond3d their is more flexibility thanks to Cell\'s flexibility since they exchange work with each other(RSX).

http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36643

Well I don\'t think the cell was created with the rsx in mind. If thats the case sony would not have contracted Nvidia. And based on the information thus given.

 What I am saying is that. The cell looks like it was meant to do all the things the gpu could not handle. That is why the gpu is being design the way it is.

The Cell is not but the RSX might be created with the Cell in mind.Which doesnt make a difference.
The basic difference I ve noticed in the RSX compared to ATI\'s GPU is the lack of Embedded DRAM
But there was something else mentioned in beyond3d that makes up for the lack of EDRAM I dont remember precisely so I wont comment on that yet.My memory could be wrong

Cell indeed seems to do what the GPU can not handle efficiently enough according to what I ve read.But that doesnt mean that XBOX360 can generally perform these tasks a lot better.

Or probably that could be a misinterpretation.The Cell may actually be helping for tasks that a GPU  generally cant handle alone.Not necesarily just the RSX

Its not worth comparing the GPUs anyways.They are both different in architecture and logic and the end result could be a lot different than what figures show.

Generally they both have cons and pros thanks to different architecture logics that gain and lose in some aspects

Originally posted by Unicron!
The Cell is not but the RSX might be created with the Cell in mind.Which doesnt make a difference.
The basic difference I ve noticed in the RSX compared to ATI\'s GPU is the lack of Embedded DRAM
But there was something else mentioned in beyond3d that makes up for the lack of EDRAM I dont remember precisely so I wont comment on that yet.My memory would be wrong

Cell indeed seems to do what the GPU can not handle efficiently enough according to what I ve read.But that doesnt mean that XBOX360 can generally perform these tasks a lot better.

Or probably that could be a misinterpretation.The Cell may actually be helping for tasks that a GPU alone generally couldnt handle alone.Not necesarily just the RSX

Its not worth comparing the GPUs anyways.They are both different in architecture and logic and the end result could be a lot different than what figures show.

Generally they both have cons and pros thanks to different architecture logics that gain and lose in some aspects

I agree these things have such different architecture and only time will tell what is what. All the speculation and number counting does nothing. I agree with that. It\'s hard to compare the console because the architecture is so different on both.

But like you have said they both have their weakness and strengths. I am still going with ATI though:p

hehe ok