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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2005, 08:37:19 AM »
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But Fable is an RPG, SotC is not.  Why are we comparing the length of the two?  I get your points, Riku, but I fail to see how it\'s relevant.  Halo 2, another of your examples, was fine in length, it just had a completely stupid single player campaign, but its length and replayability, for those who appreciate the multiplayer of Halo 2, is obviously hundreds of hours for many -- enough to even warrant an "expansion" of sorts.  But SotC isn\'t like Fable.  SotC isn\'t like Halo 2.  I\'m trying to meet you half way on this one, but I am honestly failing miserably...


(You forgot that Fable is double the length if you do the sidequests)

They are all around the 8-12 hour mark.  Many games are, and from all kinds of genres;  It seems to be the magic number.  I don\'t get how people can praise one game for reaching this length and completely dump on another.  Don\'t even get me started on how it\'s been three-four years since Team ICO\'s last game, the same amount of time Fable was in development and one year more than Halo 2 was in development.  WHAAA-WHAT, only 10 hours?!  WTF have they been doing??!?!  It\'s just BS.

I just found it funny how "10 hours is great for busy people" or something to that effect.  I never witnessed anything like that when Halo or Fable came out.
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« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2005, 09:02:45 AM »
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Gmanjoe, the post was directed at everyone here who\'s ever bitched about the length of a high profile game compared to a lesser known "artsy" type game.  If you don\'t fall into that category then you need not reply.  BTW, calling me a girl won\'t do anything for you.  In fact, I think it\'s quite pathetic that you use it in a debate.  Secondly, brining up the whole Harry Potter thing just brings up a fond memory of me schooling you on the subject back in July.  Have a nice day.:)


Riku,  I called you a girl coz you bitch and whine like one. Wanna see an example of panties in a wad? Look at your posts here.

And "schooling" me? Hardly. It was funny, I admit. But in the end, we all know that in REAL LIFE, you spent your Friday night in line to buy a Harry Potter book. A children\'s book. Do you knot have a social life? Aren\'t you in college or something?
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« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2005, 09:29:11 AM »
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  I don\'t get how people can praise one game for reaching this length and completely dump on another.  


1.Why are you complaining since Fable wasnt completely dumped?People complained but bought it.What\'s your point?

2.As Ryu pointed out Fable is an RPG

3.Fable didnt raise complains because of length alone.Length was one of the many

4.Peter promised more hours

5.SOTC has enough originality and innovation to make up for the lentgh(Something Fable didnt have).

 
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Stop trying to make excuses, especially if you can\'t make a valid counter point.
And yours is? :confused:
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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2005, 03:00:48 PM »
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Riku,  I called you a girl coz you bitch and whine like one. Wanna see an example of panties in a wad? Look at your posts here.

And "schooling" me? Hardly. It was funny, I admit. But in the end, we all know that in REAL LIFE, you spent your Friday night in line to buy a Harry Potter book. A children\'s book. Do you knot have a social life? Aren\'t you in college or something?


My panties aren\'t in a wad.  I\'m simply antogonizing you guys with something I find funny and sad all the same.  You took the bait and here we are.

You spent the entire thread trying to insult me and you came across looking like a dimwitted jackass.  You were schooled.

Yeah, one Friday night spent getting a book I wanted to read.  If you really wanted to know I ended up going out the next night.  Your attempts at insulting me are absolutely pathetic.  

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1.Why are you complaining since Fable wasnt completely dumped?People complained but bought it.What\'s your point?

2.As Ryu pointed out Fable is an RPG

3.Fable didnt raise complains because of length alone.Length was one of the many

4.Peter promised more hours

5.SOTC has enough originality and innovation to make up for the lentgh(Something Fable didnt have).


This is not about Fable\'s commercial success, it\'s specifically aimed at a handful of people on this very forum who are hypocrites.  They know who they are.

To label Fable an RPG is a tad too general, don\'t you think?  I mean, if we are being general then you\'re right, but it\'s not like we can throw Final Fantasy and Fable into the same category, they play way too differently.  Action RPGs with real time combat are much shorter than turn-based RPGs heavy with cut-scenes and CG movies.

What complaints other than length were there, Uni?  

Again, it doesn\'t matter what Peter said.  The game is what the game is.  Peter might have said it was going to be something else but the reality is that it\'s not.  

Countering number five here: Last I checked Fable took home alot of better than average scores, much like SoTC.  The only arguement you have is one of bias, and it just won\'t get you anywhere.  

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And yours is?


God damnit, Uni.  A game is scored based on what it is.  I just think it\'s ridiculous to have different standards depending on how high you or some other jackass set your expectations (even given prior information).  I could sit here and say how much SoTC sucks because I was expecting it to be longer, or the monsters more numerous, etc because it\'s been in development so long.  I\'m not going to because it would be stupid.  The game is what it is.

Let me give another example of how ridiculous this all is.  Do you remember what Ken Kuturagi said about the Playstation 2?  Remember how much hype the emotion engine got, or how the PS2 was going to be "like jacking into the matrix"?  How about the grand plans Sony had for online, or how emotion engine was going to be rendering movies, or the PS3 was going to be 1000X more powerful than the PS2...a bunch of lofty expectations.  If you were to hold them against the PS2 then you could say the machine is an abysmal disappointment.  Do I need to spell it out for you how fucking stupid that sounds?  The PS2 is a great console for what it is and what it delivered.  

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« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2005, 03:12:48 PM »
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My panties aren\'t in a wad.  I\'m simply antogonizing you guys with something I find funny and sad all the same.  You took the bait and here we are.

You spent the entire thread trying to insult me and you came across looking like a dimwitted jackass.  You were schooled.

Yeah, one Friday night spent getting a book I wanted to read.  If you really wanted to know I ended up going out the next night.  Your attempts at insulting me are absolutely pathetic.  


Pathetic : spending Friday night in line to buy a childrens book. You felt pretty cool among the 11 year olds, I bet.

And you hardly schooled anyone. It was the internet. Remember, it\'s not real life. In person, you would be too scared to even attempt "schooling" me. And Harry Potter won\'t be there to help you.
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2005, 03:53:55 PM »
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Pathetic : spending Friday night in line to buy a childrens book. You felt pretty cool among the 11 year olds, I bet.

And you hardly schooled anyone. It was the internet. Remember, it\'s not real life. In person, you would be too scared to even attempt "schooling" me. And Harry Potter won\'t be there to help you.


You already said this and I thought I made it clear that it doesn\'t bother me what you think.  Is this like your first and last defense or something, insulting my character?  I don\'t know you and certainly don\'t give a flying fuck what you think of me.  I mean, if your posts indicated that you were at least of a respectable intelligence, or maybe even funny, then I would at least consider your opinion of me...but seeing as how I think you\'re a moron, and this forum is filled with proof of that, then I simply couldn\'t care less what you have to say.
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« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2005, 04:14:25 PM »
ow damnit. PAL release date is February 06 :(
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« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2005, 05:02:23 PM »
Well I guess since I "bitched" about fable\'s length, I should bother to make my stance known (although I was pretty damn clear why I bitched in the first place).  SotC was never hyped to be a free roaming, non-linear, EPIC RPG.  Fable, however, was hyped to no end about it.  There was more promised out of fable, and I was dissapointed to hear that a lot of it was slashed out of the final product.  SotC was never supposed to be a grand epic, it was supposed to be another game in the line of ICO, extremely artsy and atmospheric.  I think SotC accomplished its goal more so than what Fable set out to achieve.
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« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2005, 06:35:48 PM »
damn, you guys are dorks.

this game is pretty cool, and I recommend it. :)
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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2005, 07:09:47 PM »
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damn, you guys are dorks.


damn proud of it too
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« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2005, 11:58:23 PM »
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God damnit, Uni.  A game is scored based on what it is.  I just think it\'s ridiculous to have different standards depending on how high you or some other jackass set your expectations (even given prior information).  I could sit here and say how much SoTC sucks because I was expecting it to be longer, or the monsters more numerous, etc because it\'s been in development so long.  I\'m not going to because it would be stupid.  The game is what it is.

Let me give another example of how ridiculous this all is.  Do you remember what Ken Kuturagi said about the Playstation 2?  Remember how much hype the emotion engine got, or how the PS2 was going to be "like jacking into the matrix"?  How about the grand plans Sony had for online, or how emotion engine was going to be rendering movies, or the PS3 was going to be 1000X more powerful than the PS2...a bunch of lofty expectations.  If you were to hold them against the PS2 then you could say the machine is an abysmal disappointment.  Do I need to spell it out for you how fucking stupid that sounds?  The PS2 is a great console for what it is and what it delivered.  

Did I hit close enough to home for you?  Surely you can understand that.

 I got  your point, but what I am saying is:why are you complaining for something that was in the past and since the same people that complained bought it anyways and since the game was succesful?
You are calling hypocrites the same people who bought Fable too.
 If someone starts bitching how hypocrites people are for complaining about the PS2 5 years ago especially when these people are the same that bought PS2 and like it, he would seem weird and pointless.
 People complained because they were promised so much not because Fable was crap.Otherwise it wouldnt have sold.Peter promised more freedom and more things.Just as people complained TEMPORARILY about Ken\'s statements not because PS2 was crap.People complained temporarily because they had certain standards, certain expectations from he game and its genre and it was logical to see such reactions.But that was temporary.
 Your arguements are pointless.You are taking two completely different examples/situations (Fable and SOFTC) and compare them.Its like comparing Sahara with the Antarctica.

Your post is pointless.You are making to much fuss about something that wasnt serious
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« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2005, 05:59:46 AM »
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I got  your point, but what I am saying is:why are you complaining for something that was in the past and since the same people that complained bought it anyways and since the game was succesful?
You are calling hypocrites the same people who bought Fable too.
 If someone starts bitching how hypocrites people are for complaining about the PS2 5 years ago especially when these people are the same that bought PS2 and like it, he would seem weird and pointless.
 People complained because they were promised so much not because Fable was crap.Otherwise it wouldnt have sold.Peter promised more freedom and more things.Just as people complained TEMPORARILY about Ken\'s statements not because PS2 was crap.People complained temporarily because they had certain standards, certain expectations from he game and its genre and it was logical to see such reactions.But that was temporary.
 Your arguements are pointless.You are taking two completely different examples/situations (Fable and SOFTC) and compare them.Its like comparing Sahara with the Antarctica.

Your post is pointless.You are making to much fuss about something that wasnt serious


Your posts are pointless.  

Complaining about the PS2 is the exact same thing as people complaining about Fable, basing it on something that it isn\'t.  Ultimately, it just doesn\'t matter what Peter or Ken said, the game/console is what it is.

I\'m not going to repeat myself any more.  You\'ll find my counter in my previous posts of this thread.  I\'m sorry for derailing it and I"m just going to leave it at that.
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« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2005, 06:15:58 AM »
Basically, Riku\'s panties are in a wad because you guys complained about Fable and not Colossus.

Bitch, let it go. This thread is about Colossus. But you turned it into a bitch fest about your feelings getting hurt about Fable.
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« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2005, 06:23:41 AM »
bitch.
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« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2005, 06:25:53 AM »
Welcome to PSX2C, BITCH!
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