Guantanamo detainee resorts to suicide.

banning abortion and supporting the death penalty at the same time makes perfect sense.

it does make sense, one is death for extreme crimes and the other is killing an unborn child who will never have the chance to live.

Originally posted by cloud345
it does make sense, one is death for extreme crimes and the other is killing an unborn child who will never have the chance to live.

These are arguments made against abortion:

“It\'s hard to understand why people are even debating the issue of abortion.

It\'s very simple, really. All life is precious, from conception to natural death. To believe otherwise, is to go down a road of values that can easily justify eliminating some people based on what other people want and believe.”

"But God’s word declares that all life is precious. Not just those who we call “normal” but all life. Exodus 4:11 declares, “Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” Our God is sovereign. He’s the one who creates all life and all life is precious to him. God knows what he’s doing, even if we can’t completely understand. His plans are always perfect and none of us should ever dare to presume that we know more than God by taking the life of an unborn child. "

"The Bible assures all life is precious to God. No one created in the image of God is less valued by God than anyone else. Every person, special needs or not, is precious in God’s sight. Just because society places a higher value on people without special needs doesn’t mean that God has the same perspective. When God creates a person, he creates that person to accomplish his divine purposes. Keep in mind that God’s purposes may not be the same as our purposes. All life is precious to God ."

Take from that what you will.

I saw a program where volunteer civilians were treated as the Guantanamo prisoners, the program was made by BBC I think.

After seeing that I\'ll laugh every time Bush talks about human rights.

The BBC :lmao:  

If you believe any tripe they broadcast you need your head examined.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
The BBC :lmao:  

If you believe any tripe they broadcast you need your head examined.

Oh I forget.. Socialist dung right?

We already know what’s going on in Guantanamo, no matter what the BBC said. Methods used in the program were methods approved by Rumsy/Bush or witnessed by FBI agents.

Bush = speaketh of human rights = me laughing long and hard.

:rofl: :lmao: :gay:

If I were in Europe right now I would be more concerned about the immigration problems/Muslims there as opposed to how the US is handling its own fight against radical Islam.

I love how foreigners tell us how to handle our security and lecture us about human rights - especially when that person lives in a country that has used involuntary sterilization on its citizens in order to keep their welfare state alive.  :rolleyes:

[videoholic]

Originally posted by hyper
How bitter you are. Here\'s a sensible Tom Delay quote to cheer up your day.

"Guns have little or nothing to do with juvenile violence. The causes of youth violence are working parents who put their kids into daycare, the teaching of evolution in the schools, and working mothers who take birth control pills." –Tom DeLay, on causes of the Columbine High School massacre, 1999

You are comparing someone\'s beliefs (Man, Delay is a nutcase) to someone who is downright lying (Clinton is a butt fucker).

Originally posted by videoholic
You are comparing someone\'s beliefs (Man, Delay is a nutcase) to someone who is downright lying (Clinton is a butt fucker).

No, I\'m comparing two people who talk out of their asses.

Originally posted by GigaShadow


I love how foreigners tell us how to handle our security and lecture us about human rights - especially when that person lives in a country that has used involuntary sterilization on its citizens in order to keep their welfare state alive.  :rolleyes:

It had nothing to do with the welfare state, and you know this from our previous debates (how many times now? 3 times? You\'re getting old Giga, bad memory. ).

And all countries have shady pasts, some more than others.

We cant do anything to change our past, but we can do something to prevent whats going on right now. Guantanamo is one example of many.

Originally posted by fastson
It had nothing to do with the welfare state, and you know this from our previous debates (how many times now? 3 times? You\'re getting old Giga, bad memory. ).

And all countries have shady pasts, some more than others.

We cant do anything to change our past, but we can do something to prevent whats going on right now. Guantanamo is one example of many.

Yes, I remember you trying to defend it, but the truth is that it was policy to keep the population balanced for the welfare state.  

Anyway, at least we have lesbian cheerleaders!

http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=500466249&key=FlgVSo

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Yes, I remember you trying to defend it, but the truth is that it was policy to keep the population balanced for the welfare state.  

Anyway, at least we have lesbian cheerleaders!

http://community.webshots.com/slideshow?ID=500466249&key=FlgVSo

No.

Fastson stop living in denial:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Sweden+Forced+Sterilization&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

Yes I know about its history. But it had little to do with a welfare state. The welfare state didn’t exist as such when this started out.

The reasons were other (much more shameful if you ask me), it reminds me more of Hitlers Germany I think.

Anyway we can only accept that it happened and move on, make sure it wont happen again.

Will you feel the same way about Guantanamo in 30 years?

Exactly it was undesirables who were "fixed".  Why?  To be less of a burden on the state.

As for Guantanamo - I couldn\'t care less about the people locked up there.  Sure a few innocent ones might be there, but I am sure more are guilty of something than are not.  Better them being there than running around plotting and killing.  No regrets on my part on how we have done things since 9/11.

I am not ashamed about our past as a country either - what happened - as you say happened.  It was a different era, but with Sweden this happened 30 years ago.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow


As for Guantanamo - I couldn\'t care less about the people locked up there.  Sure a few innocent ones might be there, but I am sure more are guilty of something than are not.  Better them being there than running around plotting and killing.  

A few innocents don\'t matter huh?

You are full of it.

Too bad you can\'t take a taste of our own medicine.