Predictions for PS3 vs 360

Random comments, that\'s even better I suppose.

Was the XBox a success for MS is the real question? I would say, yes. So much so, that they decided it would be worth the investment on another start-up loss of several millions (surely hundreds of millions) on another console, feeling that, after establishing the namebrand with the XBox, that the 360 could take away a considerable piece of the pie.

They did lose money on the XBox, due only to the manufacturing agreements made with other companies, but the XBox as a whole was somewhat of a success to them. They established their brandname in millions of households, took second place worldwide, established their online service as the premium service to use and is currently the most used game internet service on the market, and Sony probably won\'t even touch that or be able to this generation. They have established franchises in place making them money,  too. Halo obviously being the biggest, with more than 20 million sold worldwide.

So, yes, they lost money on the XBox division of games, but have gained weight in the lucrative games sector and should by all accounts arrive at profitability sometime in 2007.

Am I not mistaken or are you not implying Microsoft wasn\'t a success because of their lack of profits? Oh, you were just saying something random in reply to altered beasts comment right?

I kind of agree with mm here.
It depends how you look at it

I dont think XBOX would have still been here if MS didnt have the cash to throw.
Another company would have stopped supporting their product if it generated millions of losses ofr such a long period

It makes you wonder if DC or Saturn would have kept living if SEGA had the same amounts of accumulated capital as MS

On the other hand MS achieved a strong brand name establishment and a competitive presence. Just not the healthy competitive way

I kind of agree with mm here.
It depends how you look at it

I dont think XBOX would have still been here if MS didnt have the cash to throw.
Another company would have stopped supporting their product if it generated millions of losses ofr such a long period

It makes you wonder if DC or Saturn would have kept living if SEGA had the same amounts of accumulated capital

On the other hand MS achieved a strong brand name establishment and a competitive presence. Just not the healthy competitive way

This would apply to Sony as well.

you mean sega

he already pointed it out

The Dreamcast was too awesome to die. I still have the damned thing.

he already pointed it out

The Dreamcast was too awesome to die. I still have the damned thing.

Probably.That I cant answer. But atleast Sony used their investments right generating profits.
MS didnt

oh man


that chart I posted man, refer to it for these profits

it all worked out in the end

like a disney movie

I think you have got it backwards, mm. It will probably go PS3>XBox360>/= REV

Avatarr, The DS only sells Nintendo games. I Same as the N64 and GC for the most part, utterly destroying many chances that the system (REV) will have for getting high profile content. People just want to play their Madden or their Final Fantasys from time to time, but when Nintendo secures games like that: Baiten Kaitos, or FF:CC, or Madden, or Resident Evil:Remake, 0, or 4, etc. NOBODY has cared. Not one has been able to break a million in any given area on the GC, despite being high profile games.

You\'re still thinking inside the box dude. Just go to that other thread and look at the DS sales figures. Just like the touch screen, the new revmote takes the fight beyond the business of exclusive titles and whatnot. None of it will matter because the issue is on a new level entirely. Rev > everything.

The handheld market is a different breed. Games like GTA, MGS, and Halo sell consoles.

Well, the other thing is, portable gaming has always embraced quick gaming on the run, but similar events on the consoles have failed.

Think Wario Ware vs. the GC version sales.

If they can make the games with a long lasting reply value, it will sell well, but few people will drop 200+ on a system and another 50 for every game that they will only play 5 minutes at a time.

IGN has just released the specs, it is only a tiny bit better than an original XBox in it\'s specs and the ONLY thing it is relying on is the revmote. It will be huge in Japan, but can you imagine a driving or soccer game with the revmote? aiming the controller left to right to steer doesn\'t seem too much more than a gimmick to me. Passing the ball or shooting with the revmote doesn\'t either. Those are two of the biggest game genres in Europe and the Rev is at a big disadvantage from my viewpoint there. Sure, FPS would be awesome with the remote, but who will take the first jump? Nintendo? pfff. They won\'t have the Unreal 3 engine, as was just said by one of the leads, and other high profile games that would come out for PC and 360 (and later on PS3). So that leaves for original content for REV basically. Nothing more. Now we see how exclusivity and first party stuff is 100% important for Rev\'s success right off the bat.

Once again, it will be 90% Nintendo games sold on the system and Nintendo has never been known for their quantity, only quality. And quality couldn\'t sell 30 million systems worldwide last generation, even with the majority of third party games that went around and usually a better version than the PS2 (not the XBox, naturally) and always made for poor sales.

I am sure there are people who loved the GC and N64 and will be more than willing to wait for their Rev releases, but with such few games, how will the console sell more than 360 or PS3, which will have a dozen or so games released every month. Will have ALL the big name third party games. Will have HUGE online networks, Will have HD and BR playback (for PS3), 360 will have HD-DVD playback (via addon, more than possibly a non-factor, but still)

How does that equal success again? The funny thing is, DS is doing amazingly, but isn\'t selling as fast as GBA in the same time frame. Nor are any third party games selling amazingly. Since launch in the US, for example no game has sold over 500k, when before, on the GBA for example, 3 Sonic games sold 1 million a piece very easily and many, many other games, too.
 
In Japan, it isn\'t much better, but at least Tamagotchi sold nearly 1 million. Clap your hands, say yeah!

yeah!

Nope. None of that will mean anything to the average consumer. Nintendo, as am I, are contending that the new revmote will be so userfriendly and so intuative that it\'ll grab the attention of the wider electronics market - to the exclusion of MS and Sony. Your mindset is still HD, specs this, resolution that. Absolutley meaningless if you put the revmote into the equation. Everything else is going to be obscured simply because people\'s attention will be focused on this new and unique piece of gadgetry.

There is a lot of skepticism about the revmote. I myself didn\'t buy it immediately. But after I got over the shock of how unexpected it was, I totally jumped on the bandwagon. Being an avid PC gamer, I know how powerful the mouse can be as a control device. Revmote takes the mouse to the 3rd dimension and I am totally excited about where its going to take gaming.

soccer games:
*use it as a mouse, rts style. point cursor to the player you want to pass to.

driving games:
*yes, point or tilt it left and right.

fighting games:
*motions in the air replace the U\'s and half U\'s of the dpad. intensity and range of motion determines intensity of punches and kicks.

rts games:
*use it as a mouse. no more akward fiddling with the gamepad.

sword fighting games like zelda and jedi games:
*sword motions translate directly into the game. hold a or b button to change direction and camera. use dongle for WASD. has implications for tennis games, golf games, baseball games and any other game that involves swinging something around.

A lot of this you will dismiss as a gimmik. But I can totally, totally see how the revmote will actually enhance the gameplay in all the current gneres. You get a wider range of control as well as more percision. The best part is, all this is completely intuative. "Normal" people will compare the revmote and the typical gpad and choose the revmote in a flash.

I understand most of the hard core community can\'t dislodge the present model of gaming, where specs and graphics is the main focus of attention. The rest don\'t care. People will see the revmote, say "that looks easy (and fun) to use" and push the controller based machines to one side. Revolution > Everything.