How are we all doing here?

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been workin\' all night,..and i really don\'t have time for this,..but you cats just luv to reel me in,...quick and simple...god and jesus are TWO separate beings..everything jesus did was through gods power,...not GOD himself actually taking the form of a human,..the holy spirit from what i understand is just god\'s pure energy,..not really a being unto itself,...but i\'m not really sure about that...

Can\'t do these religious threads.  If you want to get caught up in semantics Altered that\'s fine, I don\'t have the will to that with you.  I could dig up tons of the "wierdness" of the mormon religion, but what good would that do other than piss you off.

[Evi]

God in three forms, father, spirit, son

So out of that you think they are three seperate Gods?  Jesus was God in the flesh, and was constrained by human limitations (physically).  

If you have a hard time believing that all three of these forms are all the same God, then you aren\'t a Christian.

Exactly. It says God became flesh. The entire first part of John pretty much explains that Jesus is God. This Godhead thing is a creation of Mormonism, which is why there are different kinds of Mormons, because it contradicts the bible.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. He was in the beginning with God..."

It doesn\'t say the Word was A GOD.

"And the Word (Jesus, who is also God, because the Word WAS God) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and Truth..."

And all you need to be saved in the bible is to believe in Jesus Christ and that he died on the cross for your sins and the sins of the world and that he rose again.


Also, Mormons believe in multiple Gods and multiple universes, yet the bible says that God created all things and in the following passage Jesus says:

"How can you believe, who receive honor from one another and do not seek the honor that comes from [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]the only God[/COLOR]?"

If Jesus was the Word, and the Word was God, and there is "the only God", that would make Jesus God. There aren\'t multiple Gods in multiple universes because God created everthing. Jesus and God are one.


And thanks guys for not being too harsh with our conversation.

When he tells the apostles: "In my father\'s house" what father was he talking about? When Stephen saw Jesus Christ on the right hand of God as he was being stoned, why did he state Jesus Christ as being different from God?

What did he mean? His Father\'s house. He was referring to the church because they were selling goods inside the church and Jesus did not like this.

And God is everywhere. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity. He can be in multiple places at once. This is hard for people to comphrened, but God is beyond moral human comprehension anyway. Mormons try to make everything easy to comprehend with normal people\'s standards, all while contradicting what\'s in the bible.

And the latter...that is the famous line taken out of context by Mormons.

[GmanJoe]

I clicked on the link to the tail end of this thread and was wondering why this became a religious debate.

So I back tracked....and found THIS!

No. Mormons are very much NOT Christians.

Haha! One time, mm was stupid enough to say Catholics aren\'t Christians! BWAHAHAHAHAH! He\'s so dumb!

Mormons, Protestants, Witnesses, Seventh Day, Orthodox and Catholics are all Christian beliefs.

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[GmanJoe]

BTW, Mormons wear super undies that protect them from evil things. Plus...you guys become gods of other planets or something like that in the after life.

Fascinating!

According to Mormonism, there are an infinite number of planets like earth in the universe, each with their god or gods who were once men who have evolved into godhood. Mormon theologian and Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "[A] plurality of gods exist . . . there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."{3}

Joseph Smith wrote, "In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and (the) people in it."{4}

[Evi]

Haha! One time, mm was stupid enough to say Catholics aren\'t Christians! BWAHAHAHAHAH! He\'s so dumb!

Mormons, Protestants, Witnesses, Seventh Day, Orthodox and Catholics are all Christian beliefs.

/thread

Different beliefs separate these. And these beliefs are brought about by not reading the bible. The Pope, for instance, just makes up stuff that isn\'t even in the bible...such as purgatory. He changes the Word of God, which is the worst thing you can do (blasphemy against God). He believes his word is as good as God\'s. The Pope tells priests they are not allowed to marry, but the bible says that God prefers they are married and they have children. This kind of sexual restrictiveness is a large cause of the molestations in the Catholic church, IMO. They are never allowed to get married or have sex, according to the Pope...so this would lead to a lot of different issues. God does not deny people their sexuality, as long as they are married. When you\'re married, you can have all the sex you want with your wife. Catholics are Christians, but the beliefs that the Pope imposes upon people is false. The Catholic church has a history of being very corrupt because people inside and out of the church were following the Pope and not what the bible had to say.

According to Mormonism, there are an infinite number of planets like earth in the universe, each with their god or gods who were once men who have evolved into godhood. Mormon theologian and Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "[A] plurality of gods exist . . . there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods."{3}

Joseph Smith wrote, "In the beginning, the head of the gods called a council of the gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and (the) people in it."{4}

That completely contradicts the bible. Yet Mormons use quotes from the bible and they ignore everything else that contradicts their Book of Mormon...and those are the parts with "errors". Mormonism is younger than this country is and all came about from some 17 year old kid named Joseph Smith when he was alone in his bedroom and had a "vision".

Joseph Smith sounds like he\'s dropped acid too many times.

[Titan]

Joseph Smith sounds like he\'s dropped acid too many times.

Didn\'t he read the "golden plates" out of a hat?

Heh. Anyone see that mormon episode of South Park? That one was awesome.

Well, let\'s not get into petty insulting.

I am not going to talk about it anymore, but, like I said, if by us believing that solely by the grace of God through our faith in Him and our obedience are we saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ makes us anything than a Christian, then I guess we aren\'t Christians.

I didn\'t know that there was more to being a Christian, nor that there was some sort of a qualification for what may be deemed a Christian religion and what is not.

[Evi]

nor that there was some sort of a qualification for what may be deemed a Christian religion and what is not.

Christianity = 2000 years
Mormonism = 200 years

Mormonism has many contradicting beliefs to Christianity, thus making it not Christianity. Mormonism is its own religion. You have your own book.

Found a site illustrating my point:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/beliefs/christians/christian2.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

I am not saying that you are stupid or something, but your own opinion, obviously biased, isn\'t quite as valid as a set list of unbiased people looking at the simple set of core beliefs.

Age isn\'t important, btw. The Lutheran Church isn\'t more than 600 years old, nor any other church formed as a breakoff of Catholicism, and it is quite obvious that you aren\'t a Catholic, so I don\'t know why you would even state something as unimportant as age.

[Evi]

I don\'t know why you\'re talking about denominations. I just read the bible, dude. I don\'t consider myself part of any branch. The mere fact that there are so many branches seems stupid to me.

but your own opinion, obviously biased

Biased against what? And you think you\'re NOT being biased? Because if you think that, it\'s stilly.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions

Doesn\'t state the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a religion outside of Christianity.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches

and this one, once again, a non-biased site, a Christian church, and the 3rd largest sector of the USA Christian population, not Protestant nor Catholic, but Christian nonetheless.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#bodies

and this one lists it as the 4th largest church overall in the USA as far as membership goes. Far from being a splinter or crazy cult as some portray it.

You are incorrect in your assumption that we aren\'t a Christian church, like I said before, we have different beliefs, but the important ones are all the same, focusing on Jesus Christ as our Savior and the Bible as the word of God.

[Evi]

Doesn\'t state the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a religion outside of Christianity.

I don\'t care what some site says. The fact that the beliefs are so contradicting makes it impossible to classify them into the same category.

and this one, once again, a non-biased site, a Christian church, and the 3rd largest sector of the USA Christian population, not Protestant nor Catholic, but Christian nonetheless.

I don\'t care about the churches. This has nothing to do with our conversation.

and this one lists it as the 4th largest church overall in the USA as far as membership goes. Far from being a splinter or crazy cult as some portray it.

Your point?

but the important ones are all the same, focusing on Jesus Christ as our Savior and the Bible as the word of God.

No, the belief of who Jesus is and his purpose are thought of completely differently. They are not the same. If the bible is the Word of God, what is the Book or Mormon to you?

And you\'ve ignored everything I\'ve talked about. I respond to all your posts and you don\'t respond back to anything of mine. You\'re not staying on topic.

You deem everything I say as taken out of context by Mormons and false, how can I respond to that?

If everyone but you lists the church as a Christian Denomination, does that make everyone wrong but you?

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Denominations_and_Sects/

There\'s another one.

Read our Articles of Faith:  http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1

That is a very basic overview of our beliefs. Reading this and saying that the church isn\'t Christian would make you a person terribly grounded in his opinions and simply not willing to accept the truth.