DVD\'s are fine for this generation

[Evi]

I\'m just downplaying its importance because...it\'s not important.

to you?

What mm said...

seriously, go watch a hi-def clip on a 720p output and then on a 1080p output television.  The difference is minimal until you get to the 50+ inch screens.

[Titan]

I know this. Given the PS3 does take off and Blu-Ray becomes a standard format, then the same will happen with that format. It\'s the circle of life.

True that. DVD won\'t be around in a few years and like 10-15 years from now (if that long) a new video format will replace Blu-Ray. Oh how technology blooms, lol.

To be honest, I\'m still amazed disks are still around. I would have thought that some revolutionary thing would come out that would have the hi-def of a DVD/Blu-Ray or better, half the size and be like a chip or small disk like thing. I dunno, hard to describe, lol.

Actually, I\'ve read several analysts views that DVD will see healthy growth all the way through 2009.  

People are not going to up and abandon DVD in the next few years.  Not when it was just in 2003 or 2004 when DVD sales FINALLY overtook VHS sales.

I\'m going to have to side with Rikku & LIC on this one.

Why would 1080p neccessitate more storage space?  FMV?  Mpeg-4 and VC-1 can take care of that as long as it\'s not a full-length 2 hour movie.

That said, I am GLAD that Sony is making their system a big step up from its previous system as it has Blu-Ray playback standard (among other things).  You can argue that the Xbox will have an HD-DVD add-on and I\'ll come right back with the lack of studio support. :fighting:

Although many claim a higher storage medium is not needed and I agree for now I believe it will  be in about 2 or 3 years from now. It was always the case in each generation that a higher storage had to replace the old. The difference between now and then is that it will take more time until developers will feel like they will need more storage.

[Paul2]

I guess sony is looking for a long term goal with ps3.  They expect the ps3 to last as long as 10 years, and including blu ray will help the life span.

Beside lenghty FMV, you can include Dolby TrueHD surround sound audio tracks on the High Def video, even though vc-1 and mpeg-4 are much better compressor, but using higher bitrate for 1080p fmv should yield better picture.  And the extra space on blu ray, imagine playing videogames that have behind the scenes on the blu ray, trailers or ads, and interview with the developers all on one disc and other features.  So the extra space won\'t hurt either.

[Titan]

Actually, I\'ve read several analysts views that DVD will see healthy growth all the way through 2009.  

People are not going to up and abandon DVD in the next few years.  Not when it was just in 2003 or 2004 when DVD sales FINALLY overtook VHS sales.

Two things:

1) 2009 is not that far away (i.e. a FEW YEARS), like I said No doubt they will be around for a while but they will be phased out like DVD and VHS in the next few years

2) Really that DVD JUST overtook VHS? I thought that happened a couple years ago. VHS wasn\'t that good. You have a link about this? I know once I got a DVD player, that was the end of VHS. Never went back.

[Evi]

People are not going to up and abandon DVD in the next few years. Not when it was just in 2003 or 2004 when DVD sales FINALLY overtook VHS sales.

I\'m not doubting you, but do you have a source for this information?

Gotta love wikipedia...

The week of 15 June 2003 marked the first time the DVD format (which was created in the early 1990s) became more popular than VHS. Although still popular with home recording, the VHS tape has largely been replaced by the DVD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

millions of people had vcr\'s and, even given the undeniable benefits of dvd\'s, were still buying/renting more vhs tapes some 7 years after DVD hit the market.

DVD had some very obvious benefits: scene selection, no rewinding, sharper picture and sound, more capacity to fit hours of film, and extras.  Not to mention that you could enjoy all this with your standard SDTV.  It was still a slow upgrade...but somehow some of you think that people are all of a sudden going to go gaga over a better picture and sound only?  Nevermind they have to buy a HDTV to enjoy it.

DVD\'s are going to be around a for quite a while, imo.

[Evi]

Yeah, but HDTV purchases are most certainly on the rise. You can get a decent HDTV for relatively cheap these days.

[Titan]

Gotta love wikipedia...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

millions of people had vcr\'s and, even given the undeniable benefits of dvd\'s, were still buying/renting more vhs tapes some 7 years after DVD hit the market.

DVD had some very obvious benefits: scene selection, no rewinding, sharper picture and sound, more capacity to fit hours of film, and extras.  Not to mention that you could enjoy all this with your standard SDTV.  It was still a slow upgrade...but somehow some of you think that people are all of a sudden going to go gaga over a better picture and sound only?  Nevermind they have to buy a HDTV to enjoy it.

DVD\'s are going to be around a for quite a while, imo.

Hate to say it but 2003 was a while ago. Plus it was developed in the early 90s but it wasn\'t available until when, mid to late 90s, right? Atleast affordable. Hell, CDs were developed in teh 70s but weren\'t popular until the mid to late 80s, right? I could be wrong about the CDs. I just closed my wikipedia window when looking up the word "fuck" for my own amusement and too lazy to open a new one

Yeah, but HDTV purchases are most certainly on the rise. You can get a decent HDTV for relatively cheap these days.

It\'s pretty much all you can buy now.  And the mass majority of them are only capable of 720p and 1080i.  The 1080p tvs are much more expensive, and as I iterated earlier, the difference is minimal unless you\'re looking for a very large screen.

I think a lot of you are overestimating people\'s willingness to shell out money for new tech.  There\'s a reason people latch on to new technology after it hits lower prices.  Ever wondered why Sony\'s Playstation sales took off AFTER they hit $199?  Wonder why it took so long for DVD\'s to take over VHS?  It took years for DVD players to become as cheap as VHS players.

Hate to say it but 2003 was a while ago. Plus it was developed in the early 90s but it wasn\'t available until when, mid to late 90s, right? Atleast affordable. Hell, CDs were developed in teh 70s but weren\'t popular until the mid to late 80s, right? I could be wrong about the CDs. I just closed my wikipedia window when looking up the word "fuck" for my own amusement and too lazy to open a new one

that was right around 3 years ago.

The first DVD players and discs were available in November 1996 in Japan, March 1997 in the United States, 1998 in Europe and in 1999 in Australia. The first pressed DVD was the film Twister in 1996.

1996-2003.  7 years to become more popular than the standard.  wow.

It might simply give developers more room to be sloppy in their programing.

That last sentence of that article tells me alot about the author.  He thinks there is no use of bluray except for allowing developers to be sloppy.  What a fool.  Does he not understand GT4 and other low res PS2 games were dual-layered meaning they needed more than 5GB of space?   What\'s going to happen when PD models 500 1080p cars and 50 1080p tracks?  No way games like that will be possible on a dual layered DVD.

The article was not a fair,  balanced look at the issue.  While it is true that most games won\'t need the extra space of bluray,  it will be necessary for games like GT5 among others.  To simply say bluray\'s only use is for \'sloppy programming\' is foolish.

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1996-2003. 7 years to become more popular than the standard. wow.

Just under the PS3\'s expected lifespan.  Looks like Sony is set