DVD\'s are fine for this generation

[Titan]

that was right around 3 years ago

Exactly. 3 years is a long time ago, especially that it became extremely affordable 2002-2003, right?

It might simply give developers more room to be sloppy in their programing.

That last sentence of that article tells me alot about the author.  He thinks there is no use of bluray except for allowing developers to be sloppy.  What a fool.  Does he not understand GT4 and other low res PS2 games were dual-layered meaning they needed more than 5GB of space?   What\'s going to happen when PD models 500 1080p cars and 50 1080p tracks?  No way games like that will be possible on a dual layered DVD.

The article was not a fair,  balanced look at the issue.  While it is true that most games won\'t need the extra space of bluray,  it will be necessary for games like GT5 among others.  To simply say bluray\'s only use is for \'sloppy programming\' is foolish.

Compression techniques get better all the time.  Who says that GT4 was entirely efficient as far as taking up space?

The article is totally fair, it\'s based on fact.  You stating that GT5 will NEED blu-ray is speculation.

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Just under the PS3\'s expected lifespan.  Looks like Sony is set

Totally missing some crucial details I\'ve already laid out.  DVD had MANY benefits over VHS.  Relatively, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray has very few benefits.  Nevermind people have to buy a HDTV to enjoy it.  I know many people who have perfectly working SDTVs and won\'t buy another TV until they have to.

Trying to get back on topic...the arguement was whether DVD\'s are adequate for this generation of gaming.  Where is the proof that it\'s not?

[Evi]

It\'s pretty much all you can buy now. And the mass majority of them are only capable of 720p and 1080i. The 1080p tvs are much more expensive, and as I iterated earlier, the difference is minimal unless you\'re looking for a very large screen.

I think a lot of you are overestimating people\'s willingness to shell out money for new tech. There\'s a reason people latch on to new technology after it hits lower prices. Ever wondered why Sony\'s Playstation sales took off AFTER they hit $199? Wonder why it took so long for DVD\'s to take over VHS? It took years for DVD players to become as cheap as VHS players.

I don\'t know WTF you\'re going on about. I\'m only talking about HDTV getting into more and more people\'s homes. I\'m not talking about Blu-ray. Only time will tell which format becomes the dominant one and it\'ll be years before we can see the outcome. I\'m just talking about HDTV\'s and you keep going on about higher resolutions and bigger TV\'s. Who gives sh^t? I just bought an upscale DVD player for my plasma screen. I\'m going to wait a while to see which format becomes the popular one. I don\'t want to throw away money.

The article is totally fair, it\'s based on fact.

Your opinions are also tainted with bias.

DVD had MANY benefits over VHS. Relatively, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray has very few benefits.

Right now it\'s more for the hardcore videophiles or those who own an HDTV.

Exactly. 3 years is a long time ago, especially that it became extremely affordable 2002-2003, right?

not that long ago.  You seem to be overlooking the fact that the majority of people were satisfied with the status quo for 7 years AFTER a obviously superior product was available.  My point is that DVD is not going anywhere for many years.

What is affordable?

Your opinions are also tainted with bias.

in your opinion.

[Evi]

My point is that DVD is not going anywhere for many years.

That may very well be true, but it\'s impossible to predict the future. Don\'t get your panties in a bunch.

in your opinion.

Not really.

Compression techniques get better all the time.  Who says that GT4 was entirely efficient as far as taking up space?

The article is totally fair, it\'s based on fact.  You stating that GT5 will NEED blu-ray is speculation.

Compression?  I don\'t want anything compressed.  That\'s why I bought a true 720p monitor.  Not something that will compress or upscale a signal to 1280x720.  Having to compress data is a sign that they need more room.  And I have no doubts GT5 will need much more than 10GBs.  I\'ll be sure to get back with you when it does.

Totally missing some crucial details I\'ve already laid out.  DVD had MANY benefits over VHS.  Relatively, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray has very few benefits.  Nevermind people have to buy a HDTV to enjoy it.  I know many people who have perfectly working SDTVs and won\'t buy another TV until they have to.

Trying to get back on topic...the arguement was whether DVD\'s are adequate for this generation of gaming.  Where is the proof that it\'s not?

Check out the stores,  SDTV\'s are being pushed to the back and HDTVs and flat panels are now up front.  In 7 years I doubt SDTVs will take up 10% of store space.

Sure,  most games won\'t need the extra space.  But it IS NOT adequate for all the developers.  Some have already griped about the xbox DVD situation.  Sure,  they can fit their games on the DVD if they would like to,  but going against what the article says,  it WILL hold back their creativity.  In the end,  you will enjoy games just as fine on XBOX 360 as I will on PS3,  I will just get more FMV,  higher rez etc...oh and High Def movie playback.  Thank you very much.

It might simply give developers more room to be sloppy in their programing.

It\'s a probability.

Interesting fact:  As you know the Xbox had a harddrive.  What you may not know is that Microsoft had a policy about loadtime length.  It\'s been reported that many developers used the harddrive to "cheat" on the load time.  I\'m not of a technical mind so I can\'t go in to detail, but those who are tech savy say it was lazy programming because they could.

With so much room on a blu-ray, developers could afford to be "sloppy."  I don\'t know what it matters to the end user though.  Nothing I suppose.  This article uses it as an arguement for DVD.  I don\'t see why he/she shouldn\'t.

That may very well be true, but it\'s impossible to predict the future. Don\'t get your panties in a bunch.


Not really.

true.  but based on the information available, we can make educated guesses.

yeah, it is.

[Evi]

With so much room on a blu-ray, developers could afford to be "sloppy."

Or it will give them more creativity. You\'re going to get both ends of the bargain.

yeah, it is.

As long as that helps you sleep at night.

[Titan]

not that long ago.  You seem to be overlooking the fact that the majority of people were satisfied with the status quo for 7 years AFTER a obviously superior product was available.  My point is that DVD is not going anywhere for many years.

What is affordable?

Obviously DVD is affordable now. Blu-ray is new technology. When DVD came out, it was exactly like blu-ray cost wise. It was mad expensive. In a few years, I bet its gonna be just as cost effective to buy blu-ray as it is DVD. Also, by then there will be more HDTVs that people can take advantage of the blu-ray capability. Its all a cycle. Something better will replace blu-ray in like 12+ years.

Compression?  I don\'t want anything compressed.  That\'s why I bought a true 720p monitor.  Not something that will compress or upscale a signal to 1280x720.  Having to compress data is a sign that they need more room.  And I have no doubts GT5 will need much more than 10GBs.  I\'ll be sure to get back with you when it does.

Ever hear of lossless compression?  You should read up on it.

Check out the stores,  SDTV\'s are being pushed to the back and HDTVs and flat panels are now up front.  In 7 years I doubt SDTVs will take up 10% of store space.

Sure,  most games won\'t need the extra space.  But it IS NOT adequate for all the developers.  Some have already griped about the xbox DVD situation.  Sure,  they can fit their games on the DVD if they would like to,  but going against what the article says,  it WILL hold back their creativity.  In the end,  you will enjoy games just as fine on XBOX 360 as I will on PS3,  I will just get more FMV,  higher rez etc...oh and High Def movie playback.  Thank you very much.

That\'s not necessary.  Again, this is only an arguement that DVD\'s will be fine for this generation of gaming.  Some small percentage that MIGHT need multiple DVD\'s isn\'t going to hurt anything or cripple the 360.

I\'ll wait to read from a developer what they did with blu-ray that absolutely could not be done on a regular dvd until I make any assumptions about limited creativity.

[Evi]

I\'ll wait to read from a developer what they did with blu-ray that absolutely could not be done on a regular dvd until I make any assumptions about limited creativity.

I didn\'t say games being developed for DVD capacities will have limited creativity. I meant that if there is a need for more space, it may allow for more creativity without having to worry about space limitations should the need arise for extra elbow room. And if a game ever comes out that needs multiple DVDs, it could all be on one disc, instead.

Obviously DVD is affordable now. Blu-ray is new technology. When DVD came out, it was exactly like blu-ray cost wise. It was mad expensive. In a few years, I bet its gonna be just as cost effective to buy blu-ray as it is DVD. Also, by then there will be more HDTVs that people can take advantage of the blu-ray capability. Its all a cycle. Something better will replace blu-ray in like 12+ years.

geez.  derailed much.  probably my fault.  sorry.  I just think the blu-ray/hd-dvd adoption will be a slow one because it\'s not that great of a leap forward.  I\'m curious to see how long it is until the mass market takes it up.

the thread is whether or not dvd\'s are good enough for this generation.  this article says it is, and the only thing to the contrary is some baseless speculation on clowd\'s part.

I didn\'t say games being developed for DVD capacities will have limited creativity. I meant that if there is a need for more space, it may allow for more creativity without having to worry about limitations should the need arise (the only situation would be a game that exceeds DVD space limits).

it was in response to clowd\'s post.