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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2006, 02:48:18 AM »
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 My point is that DVD is not going anywhere for many years.

What is affordable?

Nobody tried to convince BR will replace DVD`s when they become available. That doesnt mean it wont exist and sell either until that happens.

Also most of your arguements are surrounding the usage of BR as a movie format only. What about games?

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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2006, 03:21:56 AM »
Sony needs to get Blu-Ray out there to make anything of the format, but at the price for the PS3 or a stand-alone Blu-Ray, they won\'t be getting my money. When the Blu-Ray DVD player is down around $200, I\'ll think about getting one.
 
Until then, I\'m happy with Netflix and used DVD movies.
 
Believe it or not, there are consumers who do not throw money away on every high tech gadget that comes down the pike.
 
It\'s a risk to inflate their PS3 cost with the Blu-Ray, but they\'re looking at it more as a way to move DVD players, not game systems. PS3 = something of a last hope for the overall health of Sony, which is not doing so hot as a company save for that PlayStation thingy.
 
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« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2006, 03:29:27 AM »
even thier movie studio division?
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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2006, 03:48:12 AM »
Well, Toshiba got pissed off because Sony chose Nvidia over them in the gpu design collaboration ( since Toshiba was the main force behind the gpu in PS2 and was initially rumoured to be the main party again for PS3\'s gpu engineering)
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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2006, 04:48:00 AM »
titan, you said they invested alot.  I don\'t see where they invested so much that they\'ll be hurt if HD-DVD goes wayside.

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even thier movie studio division?
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yes, even their movie studio division.  However, they do VERY well when blockbusters like Spiderman come around.
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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2006, 04:56:51 AM »
A failed DVD add-on will do nothing to Microsoft.
 
The entire Xbox platform could tank and Microsoft would keep on chugging. Look at its "success" in Japan.
 
I\'d guess Xbox is something of a long-term experiment to see if Microsoft can get some new revenue streams, like how Apple did with iPod.
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2006, 05:11:50 AM »
portable mp3 players were an emerging market

microsoft is trying to dominate an already established market, which already crashed once...
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2006, 05:15:41 AM »
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A failed DVD add-on will do nothing to Microsoft.
 
The entire Xbox platform could tank and Microsoft would keep on chugging. Look at its "success" in Japan.
 
I\'d guess Xbox is something of a long-term experiment to see if Microsoft can get some new revenue streams, like how Apple did with iPod.


Yeah, they already committed to a third Xbox.

mm, the videogame market can grow you know.
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2006, 05:31:14 AM »
it\'s going to crash again
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2006, 05:41:03 AM »
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it\'s going to crash again


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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2006, 05:48:30 AM »
It won\'t crash as long as Nintendo keeps things interesting and affordable. ;]
 
Sony and Microsoft need to adopt Nintendo\'s money-making, market-growing strategy. Losing money hand over fist has to get old, right?
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2006, 06:00:27 AM »
for microsoft?

and you\'re (as are millions of older nintendo die-hards) hoping the wii remote gimick idea doesn\'t self-destruct.

it can go from "interesting" to "wtf?" within a few titles
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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2006, 06:04:05 AM »
Guess we\'ll see.
 
And yea, Microsoft too. Taking losses on hardware was what I was getting at.
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« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2006, 07:14:55 AM »
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Sony needs to get Blu-Ray out there to make anything of the format, but at the price for the PS3 or a stand-alone Blu-Ray, they won\'t be getting my money. When the Blu-Ray DVD player is down around $200, I\'ll think about getting one.
 
Until then, I\'m happy with Netflix and used DVD movies.
 
Believe it or not, there are consumers who do not throw money away on every high tech gadget that comes down the pike.
 
It\'s a risk to inflate their PS3 cost with the Blu-Ray, but they\'re looking at it more as a way to move DVD players, not game systems. PS3 = something of a last hope for the overall health of Sony, which is not doing so hot as a company save for that PlayStation thingy.
 
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This is an interesting post.  Oh how so many forget it was the PS2 that made DVD players affordable and as widespread as they are today.  A 299 console with DVD playback, could play PSOne games, cd\'s, not to mention all the horsepower of the PS2 to play those games essentially snapped the market in two.  Of course there was the nay-sayers who stated a stand-alone DVD player was far better, but for 299, you could get Sony\'s package or a standalone player -- and the price was the SAME.  It\'s going to be about the same with blu-ray only a bit more expensive overall, but a standalone player or a PS3 is an easy choice to make if you\'re in the market for one or the other just as it was for DVD.

The only hurdle for Sony will be convincing people that they want or need to upgrade.  The change from VHS to DVD was a no-brainer.  People always hold on to old technology - there\'s still people today who buy records and 8-track tapes and there\'s no convincing them.  It\'ll be up to the early adopters and Sony\'s marketing to make the push worth it because you\'re not just asking people to buy a PS3, you\'re asking them to buy an HDTV with 1080p as well.  Worse yet, just as Riku said, the change from DVD to Blu-Ray is significant on paper, but the eye won\'t see that much of a difference except on the receipt.

One final note I wanted to bring up when it comes to making purchases and people complaining about prices though, although I know 599 is steep for many, Sony wants to keep this console out there for a long time, they don\'t want the PS4 to roll out in four years I\'m sure.  With that said, if people are willing to blow 1000+ every 2-3 years on PC upgrades/new hardware, people will flock to buy PS3\'s.
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« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2006, 06:10:33 PM »
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titan, you said they invested alot.  I don\'t see where they invested so much that they\'ll be hurt if HD-DVD goes wayside.


I didn\'t mean to say a lot. Bad word choice. I\'m not saying with the failure of HD-DVD is gonna slow them down or bring them under but I bet they will hurt a bit where they could still recover. Its not a big dent in their company but it is some loss.
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