Phil Harrison talks on PS3 controller

Huh?
What in the hell are you rambling about?
I\'m not sure how we got on the "Toy Story Graphics" to this whole 3D realm thing.

The only thing I got out of your mess of a post is that it\'s okay Sony makes bold face lies when they hype a machine, because they brought 3D gaming to the masses? I love that logic.
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Well, actually ; yes. Your whole point about Sony lying about Toy Story graphics is kind of invalid.

Looking back, it is easy to see that NONE of the consoles of that time could create exact Toy Story graphics 1 on 1, in real time.  Again, semantics play and arguments about arguments and word twists.

My post wasn\'t a mess ; it was to show you step by step how 3D graphics in general to the masses IS the point and not about a so called \'lie\'. A bit pointless to not like a game console company about bold advertisement babble which should not be taken all too literally.

There are tons of games on PS2 less technically advanced than Toy Story 1 & 2 yet me and many others like them alot better than Toy Story graphics.
Nobody even requested for Toy Story graphics, so this \'promise turned lie\' isn\'t a point of argument at all.

What does matter ; is that Sony\'s PS3 is likely to deliver the goods again like it should and it most probably will ; which are the games and type of games PS2 game afficionado\'s are looking forward to.

And even if we did go on in petty arguments about \'lies\' and \'broken promises\'  then imo , Sega\'s 16 bit addon promises and Nintendo\'s 4mb expansion pack and stubborn cartridge format are way more serious things which effected consumers/gamers directly.

Cloud and Tifa? It\'s apparent you\'ve never played a Final Fantasy game in your life.

It was ONE of those androgenous male characters and high pitched chicks. How can you tell them apart?

BTW, I played Final Fantasy X so nah nah nahnah nah.

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Well, actually ; yes. Your whole point about Sony lying about Toy Story graphics is kind of invalid.

Looking back, it is easy to see that NONE of the consoles of that time could create exact Toy Story graphics 1 on 1, in real time.  Again, semantics play and arguments about arguments and word twists.

My post wasn\'t a mess ; it was to show you step by step how 3D graphics in general to the masses IS the point and not about a so called \'lie\'. A bit pointless to not like a game console company about bold advertisement babble which should not be taken all too literally.

There are tons of games on PS2 less technically advanced than Toy Story 1 & 2 yet me and many others like them alot better than Toy Story graphics.
Nobody even requested for Toy Story graphics, so this \'promise turned lie\' isn\'t a point of argument at all.

What does matter ; is that Sony\'s PS3 is likely to deliver the goods again like it should and it most probably will ; which are the games and type of games PS2 game afficionado\'s are looking forward to.

And even if we did go on in petty arguments about \'lies\' and \'broken promises\'  then imo , Sega\'s 16 bit addon promises and Nintendo\'s 4mb expansion pack and stubborn cartridge format are way more serious things which effected consumers/gamers directly.

You\'re posts are always a mess.
 Let me make this simple for you.

1: It doesn\'t matter if no one "requested" Toy Story graphics. Sony said they could produce them. They couldn\'t. It effects their creditability among some of us consumers.

2: No one brought up Sega or Nintendo, but sure, I\'ll give you that, they was also lies, but not as big of lies as the Toy Story graphics.

3: So, now we shouldn\'t take any of the stuff said at press conferences serious? We the consumers, shouldn\'t call a company out for lying about the product and it\'s potenial? Great logic.

4: This is not about who brought 3D to masses. That as the Psone. This is about the PS2 and the stupid lies / hype / "advertisement" that was done for the system would sell.

Not really sure how it can be broke down anymore for you to understand.

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It was ONE of those androgenous male characters and high pitched chicks. How can you tell them apart?

Cloud and Squall are the least androgynous characters in any FF game, me thinks.

BTW, I played Final Fantasy X so nah nah nahnah nah.

Tidus was normal in-game, but once you get to the FMV\'s, he turns all

But back on topic.

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Yeah, but who can take it serious when the guy is named "Cloud" or "Squall"? What\'s next, "Sky" and "Pelican"?

LIC, yeah my posts seem a mess to people who think mostly in \'ow boy i have to outsmart the rest with one liner posts or bullet point style posts\'.

You have my most sincere empathy if you don\'t like reading them the way you want to read posts. Sorry.

And i\'m still puzzled how you can be ... after all those years.. be hung up about this \'lie\' in regards to PS2 ?

Many (millions) of gamers played PS2 games, loved them and it often exceeded their expectations.

And .. the PS3 is not the PS2. This is a new round. Old arguments should stay in the old round. Period.

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LIC, yeah my posts seem a mess to people who think mostly in \'ow boy i have to outsmart the rest with one liner posts or bullet point style posts\'.

You have my most sincere empathy if you don\'t like reading them the way you want to read posts. Sorry.

And i\'m still puzzled how you can be ... after all those years.. be hung up about this \'lie\' in regards to PS2 ?

Many (millions) of gamers played PS2 games, loved them and it often exceeded their expectations.

And .. the PS3 is not the PS2. This is a new round. Old arguments should stay in the old round. Period.

It\'s not an "old argument". It is a simple point saying that anything Sony says about their console before it is released, cannot be believed. If you want to be blind to that, then fine.

I\'m not "hung up" on the lie, I am just pointing out that very basic facts. Everyone is all in wow on what Sony has said the PS3 can do, but yet they don\'t look back at what Sony had said the PS2 could do - and never did do!
It\'s really quite simple.

did sony say before the PS2 launched they would sell some 120 million units?

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did sony say before the PS2 launched they would sell some 120 million units?

Let me guess, that makes every lie void - just because they sold a bunch? Hardly.

That means that people liked it which is the important thing. Right?

And that changes his point about believing everything Sony says how? Oh right, it doesn\'t.

Stay focused. ;]

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That means that people liked it which is the important thing. Right?

Not even the point. You , Knotter and MM can try to take this off subject with the whole "sales = king" nonsense, but that isn\'t the point. The point is taking everything Sony says with a grain of salt due to their past history of lying about the systems potenial.

And slightly off-topic, but tired of hearing about "gimmick" controller aka Wii-mote. You want to know gimmick? The PS3 tilt \' motion. Why? The very fact that Sony didn\'t  tell almost all the big  developers about it until it was debuted at E3, shows that it\'s an afterthought for Sony. Even developers in a new issue of Playstation Magazine US OFFICIAL said that the Warhawk demo seemed more like a tech test, instead of making the player truly feel like they are controlling the ship. I can dig up the exact quote if needed.

i\'m just pointing out inconsistencies in your points, please continue

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i\'m just pointing out inconsistencies in your points, please continue

No you\'re not. You have yet to do that. All you are doing is dancing around the topic at hand, as usual.

And that changes his point about believing everything Sony says how? Oh right, it doesn\'t.

Stay focused. ;]

mm!

 Ahm...and the reason of this arguement is what? Trying to prove what? It is a pointless arguement of no importance or meaning. Even if KK said that once what difference does it make and how did that make 120 million people buy a PS2?
 You give more attention to it than the people that love and own a PS2 for any other reason BUT what KK said.
 Its pointless. The system has offered what people want regardless

Not even the point. You , Knotter and MM can try to take this off subject with the whole "sales = king" nonsense, but that isn\'t the point. The point is taking everything Sony says with a grain of salt due to their past history of lying about the systems potenial.

And slightly off-topic, but tired of hearing about "gimmick" controller aka Wii-mote. You want to know gimmick? The PS3 tilt \' motion. Why? The very fact that Sony didn\'t  tell almost all the big  developers about it until it was debuted at E3, shows that it\'s an afterthought for Sony. Even developers in a new issue of Playstation Magazine US OFFICIAL said that the Warhawk demo seemed more like a tech test, instead of making the player truly feel like they are controlling the ship. I can dig up the exact quote if needed.

Where was I trying to convince Wii\'s controller was a gimmick?

edit: Oops noticed that the gimmick part wasnt directed to me...hopefully