Phil Harrison talks on PS3 controller

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every company hypes up their console,..but sony really did lay it on thick when they stated that back then,..it actually put alot of people on pause from buyin dreamcast...i\'m not gonna front i was close to buyin a dreamcast when i saw that soulblade game...to date that game is still one the best playin\' and best lookin\' fighting games to date...that said tho even when sony did state that, you still should have come to some type of lets wait and see type of conclusion...i\'m sure we have all seen those infomercials that states how you can put money down on various homes with no-money down and you could retire within 6 months,...yet i\'m sure alot of us have looked at that and stated it\'s bulls**t...

but i guess alot of people believed it because the jump from 32 bit to those systems was so huge that when we finally started seein how great the games were on dreamcast, people thought (myself included) that the ps2 was gonna be twice as powerful and have better graphics, when in alot of instances at least early on, the dreamcast games were lookin better than the ps2 games and the thing was, was that dreamcast games were lookin impressive from the door early in it\'s life....but there\'s really no point in arguing this as it really is just pointless...all companies fabricate what their consoles can really do to some extent....

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A lot of DC games look as good as current PS2 games, for the record.

*almost* as good

It is a pointless arguement of no importance or meaning.

There\'s no arguement. LIC just said Sony lied before so be careful that they may be lying now.
 
It\'s a fact and a suggestion, not an arguement.

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i love you all.



"hugs everyone"


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Ok, but LIC\'s emphasizing this \'lie\' so much that it\'s almost become his (false) assumption that PS3 won\'t deliver on however Sony will market it. Everything is still a big \'what IF\'. Even Nintendo\'s Wii. Sure E3 showed us it looked fun, the concept sounds fun, but will most Wii games actually play fun !?

Marketing is always about \'promising\' things. Marketing guys play with margins and play with the mass\' feelings & non expertise. Just like how many consumers are a bit confused about High Definition TV. Every company does it.

People can fill up weeks fighting out \'word\' and technical semantics battles about what delivering a marketing promise is.

I mean... Miele... they create household electric / oven appliances... they never (afaik) made \'outrageous\' product promises yet i despise the performance of the products of theirs i experienced. I kind of dislike the Miele brand for that.

Sony supposedly said their PS2 would deliver \'Toy Story\' graphics. I don\'t even care for Toy Story graphics.

My expectations, like of many PS1 gamers ( I never had a PSX though. I had N64 ) was based on our own \'extrapolations\' of how games like Metal Gear Solid would look and play on PS2.

The whole ToyStory graphics things was indeed what it says ; a piece of marketing bluff about graphics.

Most gamers\' expectations encompassed way more than just the graphics argument ; they were thinking about PS2 gaming, not just graphics.

And PS2 delivered that and then some to the fans of such games.

  * (technically speaking : PS2, for it\'s time, can push ALOT of polygons, maybe not textured or lit, but geometry wise it can do a ToyStory set + 1 or 2 characters yes) *

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Congratulations, you just reposted what you\'ve posted a hundred times over and it still makes no sense, other than the whole, "let\'s ignore all the lies we\'ve been told, because, well, it\'s in the past".

Most gamers\' expectations encompassed way more than just the graphics argument ; they were thinking about PS2 gaming, not just graphics.

PS2 gaming? Oh god, I\'ve heard it all. Almost every game out on the system could of been done the PSone at a lower polygon count. The gameplay didn\'t take a drastic leap from PSone to PS2. You are now trying to push off that the PS2 offered a new way of gaming, when in reality, it didn\'t. None of the consoles did. It comes down to the original (or semi-original) topic. Hype and not delivering that hype. Yes, Sony sold a boatload of PS2\'s, that does not nelegate the fact they lied countless times while hyping the PS2, which in return, in my opinion, kills any crediblity they have when they hyped the PS3.

credibility?

lol

You\'re doing the same thing yourself LIC.

LIC set to button REPEAT. how fantastic.

For you it makes no sense obviously because you saw gaming heaven when DC was still alive. Ok fine. (C\'mon, there\'s almost factual reason & logic to that post of mine, do not deny it)

Why keep bothering people with that (none) \'argument\' of yours, who are looking forward to PS3 games, when you are not ?

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You\'re doing the same thing yourself LIC.

LIC set to button REPEAT. how fantastic.

For you it makes no sense obviously because you saw gaming heaven when DC was still alive. Ok fine. (C\'mon, there\'s almost factual reason & logic to that post of mine, do not deny it)

Why keep bothering people with that (none) \'argument\' of yours, who are looking forward to PS3 games, when you are not ?

If you had your way, this whole forum would be nothing but PS3 hype and sucking Sony\'s nuts, it\'s not that way. I am not bothering you, you can set me to ignore - I don\'t care. I am simply stating a fact, they lied numerous times about the PS2, so why believe them when it comes to the PS3. I\'m sorry that you can\'t accept that.

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"In 1994 when we brought the first real time 3D gaming.."


It\'s lies like this and Sony fanboys eat it up. Just like "Toy Story graphics" which is now labeled a "mistranslation" or "misunderstanding". Just amazes me what you people will let them get by with and then, when they turn around and do it again, you jump on the hype bandwagon and believe it..yet again.

you\'re arguing a marketing ploy from 12 years ago?

wow

i hear the anti-sony bandwagon is pretty full these days

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What are you talking about? It\'s a recent quote, he is trying to say they invented real time 3D gaming. It\'s just more hype. Do you even read the previous posts before you reply?

I\'ve heard that too, about the bandwagon.
 
Suppose the anti-Nintendo bandwagon made a transfer somewhere down the line. ;]
 
I don\'t see what the problem is with LIC here. He makes a fine point. Buy into its relevance if you want, but you can\'t discredit his simple statement.
 
Jeebus.

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I\'ve been no the \'anti-sony\' bandwagon ever since the launch sucked ass. But we won\'t get into that, yet again.



It\'s just a matter of being blind to simple things. You want to be blind to the constant hype and lies? Fine - be blind. I\'m just pointing it out. If it was any other company, you\'d all be up in arms, just like MM throws a fit every single time Peter.M is mentioned and Fable, he goes on a rant about hype and lies. It\'s NO DIFFERENT then what Sony done with the PS2 and most likely PS3.