Bible Thumper gets thumped

Yes. I think we and our universe are of Godly creation in the material way.

Material ; as in ; matter, atoms, molecules, carbon based life forms. All that, is the part of Godly creation which we are capable of detecting and (partially) understand ; because it is material, just like us.

Aside from that, I do believe there\'s alot more to God\'s Creation than material creation ; things which we cannot hear, cannot see, cannot feel, smell, taste etc. Godly creation which are different forms of life which we cannot detect/understand.

Just because we cannot notice other Godly creation doesn\'t mean we can say that our material reality is the one and only. That\'s why i think projects like Seti are kind of useless, because they\'re looking for anything which ... is eventually similair to \'life forms\' as only we can detect and comprehend.

For example, i do believe in intertwining universes ; ours, being the material one and the other in some other "dimension" for the lack of better words.

Actually, any human language, in itself, is limited to our capacity of human comprehension. But that\'s OK i guess, because humans have a way of becoming judgemental very quickly about things we do not understand.

To wrap it up; my theory is a bit like in the Akira story ( Otomo 1988 ) where, eventually Tetsuo returns into cosmos back to his true form of \'energy\' / Godly force.

[clips]

wow....very interesting anologies and theories/ beliefs from all sides.....continue.....:thumb:...i believe in god as well knotter, but you really are on a whole deeper level with it...good stuff!

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a godly "force" materialized?

I can\'t argue against that, since it\'s impossible to prove a negative, so I\'m gonna ask of you to give me some kind of prove for that...

how bout you prove your facts to us, rather then us explaining the same things over and over.


PROVE to me my brain is in control of me, prove it controls my actions and not me.
 i don\'t want your thoughts or some other doods theories.


prove it to me.

[clips]

how bout you prove your facts to us, rather then us explaining the same things over and over.


PROVE to me my brain is in control of me, prove it controls my actions and not me.
 i don\'t want your thoughts or some other doods theories.


prove it to me.

damn...soully...you\'re like f**k the bulls**t!...show me the facts!....  too funny!...

[GmanJoe]

how bout you prove your facts to us, rather then us explaining the same things over and over.


PROVE to me my brain is in control of me, prove it controls my actions and not me.
 i don\'t want your thoughts or some other doods theories.


prove it to me.

Input: Soulie

Command: touch self



Conclusion: Soulie is controlled by his penis

[clips]

^^^i\'m having a very TITilizing sensation down below!....."boing"....:eek:

okay first of all, you haven\'t explained anything to me, you\'ve just been giving me the same stuff about uniqueness, which I\'m not denying, since it is irrelevant to my point. second of all, I never said your "brain is in control", in fact my point is that it\'s not in control whatsoever.

my prove is in the fact that forces of nature act according to rules that are strict. This is absolute fact. I\'ll use the (tired) salt argument again (since it is the easiest), no one has ever been able to stop/reverse/change the process of salt dissolving other than by using the rules of nature...
this can be seen analogous to every process inside (and around) you. you\'re body is just that. a number of natural processes combined. These processes are working under the same rules.
In fact, no one has ever found anything inside a living being that does not follow these rules. should it ever be found we should call it "soul" I guess, but till that day we have no reason to believe it to exist.

to sum it up: no one has ever been able to proof there\'s more to life than the natural processes going on inside it, so till the day someone finds it, I\'m gonna consider it to be non-existent.

one last thing. You\'re the one telling me there\'s more to it than that, so I believe you\'re the one that need\'s to explain to me where you are basing this on. You can\'t ask someone to prove a negative, that\'s simply not possible....
If I\'d ask you to prove there are no purple dogs (crazy example) in this world, would you be able to?

PROVE to me my brain is in control of me, prove it controls my actions and not me. prove it to me.

Soulgrind,

What he means, is that your decisions and thoughts, both on every day detail level and life time span, is bound to and contextual to the limitations of our physical reality.

Your soul ( no pun intended ) is bound to the inherent physical aspects of this human life. Your brain is part of that \'tool set\' so t speak. If you were to suffer from sudden brain damage ; it will still be your soul in there, but your soul will cope differently with the altered physical situation, which usually on a conscious level, defines what you think comprises your own "self".

To Clips ; yes, i too believe in a God. But like I said.... my belief is that God is so vastly outside of our range of comprehension that we cannot describe it as as a personal deity ; the term "personal" IS something bound to the context of our material reality.

I like to think of God as Creation, all of it, as a vast purposefully designed toolset/ sandbox of souls of energy, encompassing \'good and bad\' elements. It\'s our lesson & responsibility to learn to balance it all in our lives, so we can move on as energy souls later on.

To where ? Well, to the next phase of Godly Force. A new lesson. So i believe  it\'s kind of like a never ending cycle - which is very in contrast to Christian / Islamic beliefs that there is a linear goal ; such as Heaven / Hell.

your entitled to believe in a soul and I respect that.
However, having said that, I\'ll tell you I don\'t believe there\'s more than the toolbox that is your brain. And like I said earlier, as long as there is no evidence that there indeed is more, I refuse to believe it. I\'m not saying it isn\'t there, just that I don\'t see a reason to believe there is as of right now...

[Evi]

But that\'s fine. I just don\'t undertstand you comparing random decision-making and the ability to analyze situations and make choices based on those analyzations as predetermined absolutes like your salt example, which is an absolute. The brain chemicals and everything we do in life happens in our brain, yes. That is certainly true. That doesn\'t mean everything we do is "predetermined". It\'s all still chemical processes, but the whole predetermined thing sounds a little bit crackheadish. That doesn\'t makes any sense and will still not make sense no matter how many times you say the same thing over and over again.

I\'ll stop trying to explain it, since I don\'t know what to add to it anymore

I just wish someone would give me one reason why it can\'t be true other than that it sounds too crazy...

I got you as far as to agree that the brain is the control center and that the salt example is an absolute... what system in the brain is not absolute then? what is it that makes us any different from dead objects?

I think, therefore I am.

[Cerberus]

I think, therefore I am.

yes, you most certainly are!!!

I think, therefore I am.

OMG samwise your so smart I love you! I think I´ve heard it somewhere before though

Pfft, Descartes aint got nothin\' on me.