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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2008, 11:26:27 AM »
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Pls dont try to accuse me of spinning something when I ask you a question that you did not answer with some reparation bullshit. c\'mon guy So where are they? Have you seen them? You are strictly basing your comments from 4-5 different clips no longer than 9 seconds.

NOW....if there is a tape of him doing that for his entire hr long or what ever sermon, that would be a different case. Im willing to bet that there isnt one otherwise it would be all over fox as well.


*god damning amerikkka* :jacked:


ABC broke the story first and there is a lot more than little 9 second snips.  Search Youtube.
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2008, 11:28:59 AM »
Semantics ehh? The controversial words are no more than the neighborhood of 9 seconds.

Hell some are montages of several different services...whats ur point?
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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 11:30:22 AM »
"On the other end, we\'ve heard my former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation -- that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain.

Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I\'m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren\'t simply controversial. They weren\'t simply a religious leader\'s effort to speak out against perceived injustice.

Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country -- a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America, a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Rev. Wright\'s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems -- two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Rev. Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church?

And I confess that if all that I knew of Rev. Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and YouTube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn\'t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than 20 years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor.

He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine, who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God\'s work here on Earth -- by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, "Dreams From My Father," I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend\'s voice up into the rafters....And in that single note -- hope! -- I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion\'s den, Ezekiel\'s field of dry bones.

"Those stories -- of survival, and freedom, and hope -- became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world.

"Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn\'t need to feel shame about...memories that all people might study and cherish -- and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety -- the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger.

Like other black churches, Trinity\'s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear.

The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Rev. Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children.

Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions -- the good and the bad -- of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother -- a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love."
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2008, 11:34:16 AM »
Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...

PROOF:

4 Days ago

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."

Today

"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

His speech was all about being a victim and the entire sentiment that poor black people cannot advance any further in America until all wealthy people in America are taxed down to their level is very, very racist.

To sum my feelings up...

How can we even REMOTELY consider someone for the most important office in the world when he willingly and glowingly associates with someone who feels this way about this country.

You don\'t see an issue with Obama, for 20 years, being a member of a church:

- in which the Pastor vehemently chastises the USA - you might say he hates the USA.
- which pledges its allegiance to Africa versus the United States of America
- which preaches a \'black liberation theology\'. Regardless of the 6 or 7 liberal University of Chicago profs sitting in the pews, the church is about and for black people. Fine. But doesn\'t give me a \'cross the divide\' sort of feeling.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 11:44:51 AM by GigaShadow »
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 11:46:25 AM »
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Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...

PROOF:

4 Days ago

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."

Today

"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

His speech was all about being a victim and the entire sentiment that poor black people cannot advance any further in America until all wealthy people in America are taxed down to their level is very, very racist.


Thats an easy play on words and you know it. He was not in church when Wright made the comments that are on utube. Hell they just proved today or yesterday that  he was down here in florida doing something or another when Wright went off on one of his rants.


Thats just like having 7 burglarized  homes and be asked if I broke into all of those homes. I only broke into 6 so I would say no.... tiendes maricone?


Other than that, I know you are not making a big deal about politicians lying are you. Your current regime is guilty of many lies. Thats another thread tho....
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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 11:50:20 AM »
Way to deflect there luckee... seems that is all libs do.  It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama dislikes this country, just like his mentor and his wife.
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« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2008, 11:54:19 AM »
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Luckee he lied and who knows what else he is lying about...


To sum my feelings up...

How can we even REMOTELY consider someone for the most important office in the world when he willingly and glowingly associates with someone who feels this way about this country.

You don\'t see an issue with Obama, for 20 years, being a member of a church:

- in which the Pastor vehemently chastises the USA - you might say he hates the USA.
- which pledges its allegiance to Africa versus the United States of America
- which preaches a \'black liberation theology\'. Regardless of the 6 or 7 liberal University of Chicago profs sitting in the pews, the church is about and for black people. Fine. But doesn\'t give me a \'cross the divide\' sort of feeling.



ahh the elusive ninja edit....

I have drunks and drug addicts in my family so that means I must disassociate with the rest of my family b/c of said losers?

The Africa thing is always misunderstood by whitey..... Often its more spiritual than physical, but Im not speaking for Wright as I do not know his full intentions as most others do not.

This guy is so anti america all of the time...where are the videos from every year with him spewing this shit? 1972 was a long time ago, I know the media can do better than the few snippets they did find from recent yrs.

DId it ever occur to you that ppl change, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Im sure his retirement also had something to do with said comments.

Not to mention as I have already..its all about content and context which certainly cannot be fully understood within a few seconds
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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2008, 11:55:36 AM »
Let\'s get this part right:
 
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Do the words MENTOR, SPIRITUAL ADVISOR, and FAMILY (to someone who is not) mean anything to you Viper? If you don\'t share very similar beliefs with someone how can you use any of those words to describe them?

MENTOR:
As far as I can tell, Obama has never used this word to describe Wright.  The press has used it often.
 
SPIRITUAL ADVISOR:
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During an interview with MSNBC\'s Keith Olberman, Sen. Barack Obama confirmed that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is no longer on the Obama campaign spiritual advisory committee.

FAMILY:
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"I would not repudiate the man," Obama said. "It\'s like a member of your family that says something that you really disagree with: You don\'t stop being a member of the family but you have to speak out forcefully on the issue."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/obama-comments.html
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2008, 11:59:13 AM »
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Way to deflect there luckee... seems that is all libs do.  It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama dislikes this country, just like his mentor and his wife.

You have nothing and speculate...I love it. One comment from his wife(who knows if iit was a supid mistake or not)...one former pastor who has no record of  saying that shit during his lengthy tenure as "a man of god" until recent.

The whole hand over his heart/anthem thing.....dont really remember that issue much at all. No button on his lapel...talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. I dont own an american flag...i must be some pinko or sand nigger...lol


*still god damning amerikkka* lol
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2008, 12:39:21 PM »
Meh...saying he\'s a flat-out racist is just wrong giga....he explained everything in the text luckee posted and in this vid.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7piGy0u43c


I guess the guy and this church supposedly have done some good for the community and the public in general....which is why i guess Obama is not outright cuttin\' the guy down.....
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2008, 02:07:42 PM »
How many allowances can we make here?

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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2008, 04:42:42 AM »
Please vote for McCain.

And this is the few times I like the media. :D YAY! Bye bye Osama! Err....Obama! ;) :p
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2008, 07:10:12 PM »
I\'ve done some more thinking about this....and i\'m just going to be honest about it,...and i even tho it kinda of goes against Obama a bit,..this is the conclusion i\'ve come to....if this had been a white pastor sayin\' these kinds of remarks towards blacks,..s**t would have hit the fan,....everybody would\'ve been upset *including myself*..and i\'m sure that the said candidate would have probably had to drop out of the race...i mean yea okay there\'s a time and place for the racial debate to be had,...but not at church and not in such a distasteful fashion.

When i think of how blacks were treated in the 40\'s,50\'s. 60\'s and even events that are currently happening in my era,..when i hear of events like the nooses that were hung with the jena 6 incident and white folks driving around with nooses out of the back of their truck,...yea..it pisses me off,..which is why i give heat to some rappers and some of the black youth of today for how they call each-other nigger and refer to their women as bitches and hoes,...all the while you still have some white folk pointin\' and laughing at them and clownin\' them...

As far the pastor goes, i can forget anything he might\'ve stated over several years ago, but what got me was when he stated that "hillary will never know what it will feel like to be called a nigger"....when i heard that i just shook my head....yea she will never know what it will feel like, but this type of talk only seperates us more as a country...and i felt like we were takin a few steps back with that comment....i mean damn..newsflash..pastor..you do know that your friend "Obama" is runnin\' for president right?...did you think it was wise to spout such nonsense when his message is to bring the country together?...:stick:..what a f**kin\' asshole....


And Obama should\'ve dropped this dude from the jump...i don\'t care if you do know him for 20 years,...and let\'s again be honest,... Obama had to have known on some level that this guy was talkin\' like that....I commend Obama for bein\' honest in his speech about the racial relations in america and in that we have a long way to go,....but at the same time it seemed like he was  defending him a bit which in the political game,..is just something you can\'t do...and i\'m just lookin\' at it from the support that he has from white folk...cause i\'m sure in light of recent events,..alot of them are feelin\' kinda nervous about Obama on some level and where he stands...

I still personally don\'t think Obama is a racist at all and still feel he is the best candidate ,...but he shouldn\'t have signed this guy on to be his spirital advisor at all...we\'ll see what happens.... hopefully his campaign will get back to talkin\' about real issues and this issue will slowly go away, but this is going to leave a huge scar on his campaign from here on out....
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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2008, 04:46:41 AM »
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I\'ve done some more thinking about this....and i\'m just going to be honest about it,...and i even tho it kinda of goes against Obama a bit,..this is the conclusion i\'ve come to....if this had been a white pastor sayin\' these kinds of remarks towards blacks,..s**t would have hit the fan,....everybody would\'ve been upset *including myself*..and i\'m sure that the said candidate would have probably had to drop out of the race...i mean yea okay there\'s a time and place for the racial debate to be had,...but not at church and not in such a distasteful fashion.

When i think of how blacks were treated in the 40\'s,50\'s. 60\'s and even events that are currently happening in my era,..when i hear of events like the nooses that were hung with the jena 6 incident and white folks driving around with nooses out of the back of their truck,...yea..it pisses me off,..which is why i give heat to some rappers and some of the black youth of today for how they call each-other nigger and refer to their women as bitches and hoes,...all the while you still have some white folk pointin\' and laughing at them and clownin\' them...

As far the pastor goes, i can forget anything he might\'ve stated over several years ago, but what got me was when he stated that "hillary will never know what it will feel like to be called a nigger"....when i heard that i just shook my head....yea she will never know what it will feel like, but this type of talk only seperates us more as a country...and i felt like we were takin a few steps back with that comment....i mean damn..newsflash..pastor..you do know that your friend "Obama" is runnin\' for president right?...did you think it was wise to spout such nonsense when his message is to bring the country together?...:stick:..what a f**kin\' asshole....


And Obama should\'ve dropped this dude from the jump...i don\'t care if you do know him for 20 years,...and let\'s again be honest,... Obama had to have known on some level that this guy was talkin\' like that....I commend Obama for bein\' honest in his speech about the racial relations in america and in that we have a long way to go,....but at the same time it seemed like he was  defending him a bit which in the political game,..is just something you can\'t do...and i\'m just lookin\' at it from the support that he has from white folk...cause i\'m sure in light of recent events,..alot of them are feelin\' kinda nervous about Obama on some level and where he stands...

I still personally don\'t think Obama is a racist at all and still feel he is the best candidate ,...but he shouldn\'t have signed this guy on to be his spirital advisor at all...we\'ll see what happens.... hopefully his campaign will get back to talkin\' about real issues and this issue will slowly go away, but this is going to leave a huge scar on his campaign from here on out....


In all honesty clips, many of us conservatives would love to see a black president.  Obama had a great run at the beginning of the campaign by keeping race out of it.  That is why he was so successful with white America, but then this shit happened.  I was pretty disappointed - even though I am voting for McCain, I could have lived with Obama before all this crap happened... now I am not so sure.  Other white people feel the same way and IMO this has really hurt his chances in the general election.

I would love to see America get past its racial issues, but as we see here it is a two way street.  Not only are some whites racist, but this brought black racism into the spotlight.
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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2008, 07:22:58 PM »
We wont even begin to get past racial tensions until all ppl from that era are all dead.
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