Obama to pay off Clinton\'s debt...

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First off congrats to Obama for winning the nomination,...secondly i don\'t like the fact how people are kind of forcing Obama to pick hillary to be on the ticket with him....i agreed with this in the beginning,...but she kicked so much dirt on him, during the campaign that i wouldn\'t even want her on the team...for the most part Obama always praised her, even when she was attacking him,...he only fired back at her when he was forced to.

In his victory speech he gave even more praise to her,..a good 2 - 3 minute dedication,..her speech included only a congradulations and that he inspired folk, *20 seconds*...then the rest of her speech was as if she was still running,....i still like the clintons, but the way they\'ve been talking about Obama..*even Bill have had some words to say as recently as this week*....just makes me believe that she\'s not the right vp for him,....it would send the wrong signal anyway since his theme is all about change.

I was open to this thing in the beginning,..Obama/Clinton is really an unstoppable force, but to me at this point it\'s only right for all the wrong reasons and the way the media is spinning this is as if Obama can\'t win without hillary\'s voters,....which is bulls**t to me...i feel clinton\'s folks should rally behind him just as obama\'s folks would...again i was big on the Obama/Clinton ticket up until Clinton started kickin\' up so much dirt,...and i can\'t help that i feel that both Bill and Hillary would probably try to run things behind the scenes if hillary becomes the vp. He just needs to find somebody that shares his vision and shouldn\'t be pressured to pick Hillary...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080605/pl_bloomberg/apktsglzmhzm;_ylt=AtNEfmwE8.4ZYwNlMS79LKADW7oF

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You spelled congratulations wrong.

I agree with President Carter\'s statement that it would be a big mistake for Obama to select Hillary Clinton as a running mate.
 
For me, the dream ticket would be Obama teaming with John Edwards, Wesley Clark, or Jim Webb.  In fact, I was just daydreaming about how awesome it would be to see Webb as VP, when I came across this article:
 
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080616/moser
 

Obama\'s strangest option is also his strongest. To many progressives, ex-Republican Jim Webb sounds like another centrist compromise--Lieberman in combat boots. After all, he\'s got that history as a Reagan-era Defense official and Navy Secretary in the 1980s. He\'s a proud Vietnam veteran. He adores firearms. He\'s criticized affirmative action for helping blacks but leaving out poor whites. He wrote a paleolithic op-ed against women in combat in 1979 and later called the Navy investigations of the Tailhook sexual assault scandal a "witch hunt." He\'s railed fiercely through the years at the "cultural Marxists" and \'60s liberals who, he felt, demonized his fellow soldiers in Vietnam and blamed his fellow working-class whites for Jim Crow.
 
It\'s understandable that the heavy VP chatter about Webb has some progressives climbing the walls, accusing his male supporters of hopeless "man crushes" and declaring, as G Spot blogger Kathy G. did recently, "Ixnay on the Ebbway." But the Webb who became the Democrats\' boldest antiwar champion of 2006, when he unseated popular senator George Allen, bears little resemblance to the ugly composite portrait that can be assembled by quoting his old apostasies (all now heavily qualified or recanted). Webb is, in many respects, the antithesis of Lieberman or Bentsen--"centrists" chosen not so much to appeal to independents as to placate Wall Street. While most reporters persist in describing him as a conservative, Webb has rapidly emerged as one of the Democrats\' strongest voices from the left on the two great issues of the day: Iraq and economic fairness. He spent most of his 2006 campaign railing against the treachery of corporate America and trickle-down economics. Even more boldly than Obama, Webb spoke out against invading Iraq--in fact, he began arguing against it in the late 1980s, when the neocons were first beating those drums. In the Senate--as a freshman--he has been the single most clever and relentless Democrat in challenging Bush\'s Iraq policy, most recently steering through the new GI Bill. While his voting record is short, it\'s thus far prochoice, prolabor and pro-environment. For what it\'s worth, Webb got an A in 2007 from the progressive Drum Major Institute; perfect scores from NARAL, the National Education Association and the AFL-CIO; a 90 from the Children\'s Defense Fund; and an 85 from Americans for Democratic Action.
 
Virginia\'s thirteen electoral votes are already up for grabs, particularly with beloved former Governor Mark Warner running for the Senate and (along with Obama) driving up the Democratic vote in November. But one of the most powerful arguments for Webb is less pragmatic than symbolic: instead of just saying he honors the military and respects the white working class, Obama, by tapping Webb, would show it. Choosing Webb would also show Obama\'s willingness to have unorthodox and passionate thinkers around him. Webb would be the loudest and stubbornest "get out of Iraq" voice to have the President\'s ear. He would push Obama in a progressive direction on corporate re-regulation and income redistribution. And he would goad the President to think in fresh ways about old problems like the "war on drugs." Webb calls for ending the drug war in his new book, A Time to Fight, in which he furiously denounces the race-based injustice of US drug laws and the American incarceration industry. In it he imagines the lives led by an African-American youngster selling drugs and the white suburban teenager who buys them from him to sell at his school. "By the time the white kid reaches fifty years of age," Webb writes, "he may well be a judge. By the time the black kid reaches fifty, he will likely be permanently unemployable, will be ineligible for many government assistance programs, and will not even be able to vote."
 
Of all the various forms of inspiration Obama\'s campaign has delivered, few have been more welcome than his promise to erase the red-blue divide. Obama has worked out most of the formula for a long-term national progressive majority: he\'s revived the hopes of black voters long overlooked by the party, honed a promising message for Latino workers and preached a fresh political gospel to younger voters of all races--people for whom Republicanism will forever be associated with Bush, Iraq, the religious right and subprime America. But for the new majority to emerge, the Democrats must also tap into the antiwar, populist energy that has swelled up among working-class and middle-class whites in formerly Republican territory. Webb would bring some much-needed fire and brimstone on the economic populist issues that captured red-state Senate seats for insurgent Democrats in 2006--not just in Virginia but in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Montana, Missouri and Minnesota.
 
After eight years of Bush and thirty years of middle-class decline, it won\'t take crippling compromises (like an antichoice, pro-war or pro-Wall Street Vice President) to make sufficient gains among these folks. But it will take a candidate on the national ticket who understands them, respects them and knows how to move them. Obama can pick between several distinguished and helpful partners for the Democratic ticket. But he cannot choose anyone who will speak to Western, Southern and Industrial Belt voters with more gut-level force, or do more to awaken these folks to the new progressive potential of their country, than Jim Webb.

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Doesn\'t the VP really not do a whole lot?

I wouldn\'t like to see Hilary as the VP. But its funny how much Obama actually admired her. Together, they have a huge force. However, I was reading in the Associated Press last night that Clinton wants all her supporters to support Obama (which I felt was gonna happen anyway. Democrats are pretty hardcore this time around) and Bill may even be a big support on Obama\'s campaign. Anyway, this should be an interesting election. I\'m pretty confident Obama is gonna win this.

I was actually talking to older members of my family a week or so ago and they were talking about Obama and saying he was "unamerican" and a "nigger" and how Americans won\'t let a "nigger in office". Made me sick. I then began to explain that Obama is going to win and in this election, its going to be the younger generation (I would say between the ages of 18-30, maybe 18-40 or even 18-people who aren\'t ignorant. just my speculation) taht is going to decide this election. My dad is a big time McCain supporter and he even is saying that if Obama won the primary, he is most likely going to win because of the younger generations. Makes sense to me. I see on my campus and talking to my friends that most people are fed up with the government the way it is. My ex\'s mother is a big time republican. She hates the way the country is and is supporting Obama. It seems like a high percentage of this country seems to be like that. If anyone remembers, I was a big time republican a couple years ago. Now I consider myself an independent but I\'m not voting for a republican this time. Even if Hilary won, as much as I hate her, I still saw myself voting for her. Anyway, I\'m getting off my soapbox for now

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I agree with you about the younger generation deciding this....alot of folks are sayin\' that Obama inspired alot of young folks to come out and vote,...which is always a good thing,...i think once those old racist farts that are in washington finally die off or retire, we\'ll start to see a younger congress that is more tolerant of race relations,....there will always be those that will not vote for him because he\'s black tho..and that\'s a shame..

I\'ve already told the story of how a hillary supporter stated that if hillary didn\'t win the nomination that she would vote for McCain?....to me that is clearly racist...why?...Obama\'s theme and McCains theme are so extraordinarily different that her only reason would have to be because he\'s black,....Obama\'s plans are not much different from hillary\'s yet she would rather do the exact opposite and vote for McCain....again it\'s funny how black folk have never stated that they wouldn\'t vote for that white candidate simply because he was white...s**t is ridiculous...

I\'m also upset in the way the media is bringing up this assasination scenario,...i mean it\'s always a possibility, but why even bring that up in the first place?..because there are others out there that would assasinate him because of his color?...again america is on the verge of making history, and yet these racial questions and theories are still proving that america has a long way to go with this racial s**t....i swear the media likes to keep the racial thing goin\'.

Cheney has been a busy man. He pretty much does all his work in secret, but there was a while there when people talked about him like he was Bush\'s puppeteer.
 
I don\'t know who Obama will pick as VP. I think it\'d be weird if he picked Hillary, but I guess we\'ll see what he comes up with. Policy-wise, they\'re pretty much on the same page, so that\'d be a big plus.

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I\'m also upset in the way the media is bringing up this assasination scenario,...i mean it\'s always a possibility, but why even bring that up in the first place?..because there are others out there that would assasinate him because of his color?...again america is on the verge of making history, and yet these racial questions and theories are still proving that america has a long way to go with this racial s**t....i swear the media likes to keep the racial thing goin\'.

I agree. I think its absolutely asinine to bring up the color of his skin in this election and the fact he could be assassinated. It is a possibility that he will be assassinated because of the color of his skin but I figure if Bush didn\'t get assassinated, I think Obama is in the clear Of all the presidents in our history, I thought Bush for sure would have at least been shot at.

Everyone is just trying to find any stupid excuse to discredit the other candidate. I think its stupid they keep bringing up McCains age.

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Well to me i do think that age is a factor,..and to me that\'s just for any candidate..... i don\'t think anybody wants an old looking president....I do think McCain will will probably pick Romney or somebody of his stature to counter Obama\'s youth...of course there are other factors that go into picking a vp as well,...what i\'m basically saying is that i\'m sure that McCain isn\'t going to pick an older looking vp candidate...

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i don\'t think anybody wants an old looking president

Reagan?

Obama = empty suit.  Oh wait he wasn\'t like that when I knew him... :rolleyes:

Obama is Jimmy Carter Part II.  Worst President EVER.

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Obama = empty suit.  Oh wait he wasn\'t like that when I knew him... :rolleyes:

Obama is Jimmy Carter Part II.  Worst President EVER.

How can you say that he will be the worst president ever? He hasn\'t even been in office?

I dont know. So far Obama\'s participation in the elections creates a new hope for the US and outside the US as well.

He is more inspirational than others and he is willing for real changes in foreign policy for the better too. This is the first time that a US presidential candidate has been viewed in such a manner from other countries IMO. And I suspect in the US.  

The question is, will they let him act as we hope?

I suspect very bad consequences for him if he goes against some interests

How can you say that he will be the worst president ever? He hasn\'t even been in office?

Jimmy Carter idiot.  Obama is going to ruin the economy.  The Wall Street Journal dissects Obamanomics:

Obama endorses a 45 percent minimum-wage increase, from $6.55 to $9.50. Why not simply triple it, to $19.65? Employers would love that.

Obama wants a "market oversight commission" to monitor and reduce risks to the finance industry. The FDIC, Federal Reserve, SEC, and Treasury already attempt this, whether or not they should.

While Obama favors modest middle-class tax cuts, he promises widespread tax hikes. For top filers, taxes on capital gains would rise from 15 to 28 percent, dividends from 15 to 39.6 percent, and personal incomes from 35 to 39.6 percent. Meanwhile, the Death Tax would zoom in 2011 from 0 to 55 percent. "And if you live in a high income-tax state like New York, New Jersey, or California," Fund adds, "your highest marginal tax rate could go to as high as 60 percent."

Obama would let President Bush\'s tax cuts lapse. The Heritage Foundation estimates that this would cost taxpayers $113 billion in 2011 and $133 billion in 2012 alone.

Capital Gains tax 28 percent?  Death tax goes to 55 percent?!?!?!?!  This guy is a socialist - and a shitty one at that.  Dreary times ahead - then again I don\'t expect most of you to know what this will mean to you or the country.  

For 2007, the National Journal ranked him the Senate\'s No. 1 liberal with a score of 95.5 percent. This put Obama to the left of Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent-Socialist – Vermont) who rated a marginally more conservative 93.7.

On the bright side, he will fuck up this country so much he will be a 1 term President - aka Jimmy Carter.

I dont know. So far Obama\'s participation in the elections creates a new hope for the US and outside the US as well.

He is more inspirational than others and he is willing for real changes in foreign policy for the better too. This is the first time that a US presidential candidate has been viewed in such a manner from other countries IMO. And I suspect in the US.  

The question is, will they let him act as we hope?

I suspect very bad consequences for him if he goes against some interests

Unicron, America doesn\'t give a FUCK what you or anyone else in other countries think.  

After all we don\'t care what peon you put in power.

Unicron, America doesn\'t give a FUCK what you or anyone else in other countries think.  

After all we don\'t care what peon you put in power.

If you agree with this approach then I guess you are living in a delusional world where you believe you are the center of the world and that your ass is not subject of international affairs. Thank God there are Americans that care and have a broader view of the world