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Offline GigaShadow
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 07:00:17 PM »
Why doesn\'t this surprise me?  Anti nationalist as you like call yourself.  Guess what... most of America can\'t even point to where your shit hole is on a map, let alone care about it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 07:05:17 PM »
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Jimmy Carter idiot.  Obama is going to ruin the economy.  The Wall Street Journal dissects Obamanomics:

Obama endorses a 45 percent minimum-wage increase, from $6.55 to $9.50. Why not simply triple it, to $19.65? Employers would love that.

Obama wants a "market oversight commission" to monitor and reduce risks to the finance industry. The FDIC, Federal Reserve, SEC, and Treasury already attempt this, whether or not they should.

While Obama favors modest middle-class tax cuts, he promises widespread tax hikes. For top filers, taxes on capital gains would rise from 15 to 28 percent, dividends from 15 to 39.6 percent, and personal incomes from 35 to 39.6 percent. Meanwhile, the Death Tax would zoom in 2011 from 0 to 55 percent. "And if you live in a high income-tax state like New York, New Jersey, or California," Fund adds, "your highest marginal tax rate could go to as high as 60 percent."

Obama would let President Bush\'s tax cuts lapse. The Heritage Foundation estimates that this would cost taxpayers $113 billion in 2011 and $133 billion in 2012 alone.

Capital Gains tax 28 percent?  Death tax goes to 55 percent?!?!?!?!  This guy is a socialist - and a shitty one at that.  Dreary times ahead - then again I don\'t expect most of you to know what this will mean to you or the country.  

For 2007, the National Journal ranked him the Senate\'s No. 1 liberal with a score of 95.5 percent. This put Obama to the left of Senator Bernie Sanders (Independent-Socialist – Vermont) who rated a marginally more conservative 93.7.

On the bright side, he will fuck up this country so much he will be a 1 term President - aka Jimmy Carter.



Things can\'t get much worse than they are now...oh wait..it just did there was a 5.5% increase in unemployment for the month of may... that\'s the biggest hike in unemployment since 1986....I don\'t like higher taxes,..but you are a truly a fool if you think that he could fix the economy without raising something,....thank bush & co for the reason the economy is in the shape it\'s in, in the first place,....we\'re spending 12 million dollars a month in iraq, when people are losin their jobs/homes and can\'t afford healthcare,...and when a decent bill does come in front of him for the american people, it has to go thru all of that redtape bulls**t from him,....if the bill has no money for the war he threatens to veto it.

As much money as the u.s. has spent iraq,..they could\'ve solved the housing crisis ten times over and used that money right here....Obama is at least right on that point,..s**t is backwards in washington....instead of you complaining about him raising taxes...*which is something that he has to do and is incredibly small compared to the billions spent in iraq already*...you should look at how much we\'re spending on a war that\'s claiming american lives and how we\'re not benefiting from any of it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 07:29:41 PM »
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Jimmy Carter idiot.  Obama is going to ruin the economy.  The Wall Street Journal dissects Obamanomics:

Well word your stuff better. You said that Obama is Jimmy Carter again. You can\'t even judge when he\'s not in office, I don\'t care what that article says about him ruining the economy. You won\'t know until he implements it and what else he has in mind to go along with that plan. And bravo clips. Couldn\'t have summed it up better myself.
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2008, 05:51:12 AM »
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Things can\'t get much worse than they are now...oh wait..it just did there was a 5.5% increase in unemployment for the month of may... that\'s the biggest hike in unemployment since 1986....I don\'t like higher taxes,..but you are a truly a fool if you think that he could fix the economy without raising something,....thank bush & co for the reason the economy is in the shape it\'s in, in the first place,....we\'re spending 12 million dollars a month in iraq, when people are losin their jobs/homes and can\'t afford healthcare,...and when a decent bill does come in front of him for the american people, it has to go thru all of that redtape bulls**t from him,....if the bill has no money for the war he threatens to veto it.

As much money as the u.s. has spent iraq,..they could\'ve solved the housing crisis ten times over and used that money right here....Obama is at least right on that point,..s**t is backwards in washington....instead of you complaining about him raising taxes...*which is something that he has to do and is incredibly small compared to the billions spent in iraq already*...you should look at how much we\'re spending on a war that\'s claiming american lives and how we\'re not benefiting from any of it.

 Housing crisis?  It is not the governments responsibility to pay for people\'s mistakes.  Those people took out ARMS instead of fixed rate mortgages - I am sorry,but I feel no pity for them and I should not have to pay for their stupidity.  No one is paying my fixed rate mortgage except me.

A decent bill?  Do you mean one filled with so much pork that he has no choice but to veto it?

Oh and get your fucking facts straight - Unemployment rose to 5.5 percent it didn\'t jump 5.5 percent.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2008, 07:28:02 AM »
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thank bush & co for the reason the economy is in the shape it\'s in, in the first place,....

You really have no idea how little a President affects the US economy.
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2008, 08:21:31 AM »
Giga is right.

American\'s don\'t give a fuck what some third world country thinks about our President.

There is a reason America is a super power and your country is a third world. Just like there is a reason no one really knows or care who is running your country. Your country, in the big view, simply does not matter. Just like, your opinion on our elections, really doesn\'t matter.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2008, 09:39:45 AM »
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Housing crisis?  It is not the governments responsibility to pay for people\'s mistakes.  Those people took out ARMS instead of fixed rate mortgages - I am sorry,but I feel no pity for them and I should not have to pay for their stupidity.  No one is paying my fixed rate mortgage except me.

A decent bill?  Do you mean one filled with so much pork that he has no choice but to veto it?

Oh and get your fucking facts straight - Unemployment rose to 5.5 percent it didn\'t jump 5.5 percent.


people are definitly stupid with money and buying more than what they earn, but the reason is partly the governments fault too for allowing the banks to give out all those bullshit loans. but that was back when clinton was in office i think.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2008, 09:43:11 AM »
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Why doesn\'t this surprise me?  Anti nationalist as you like call yourself.  Guess what... most of America can\'t even point to where your shit hole is on a map, let alone care about it.
Correction. I am a lover of knowledge and a carer of global humanity, not a blind nationalist.There are Americans that make your country proud by knowing and caring though.

And I agree 100% that most America may be ignorant that the US is constantly involved in international affairs, but those that move the strings know more than just where each shit hole is.

The world cares almost as much as you do about who\'s going to be your next president.

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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2008, 09:57:41 AM »
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Well word your stuff better. You said that Obama is Jimmy Carter again. You can\'t even judge when he\'s not in office, I don\'t care what that article says about him ruining the economy. You won\'t know until he implements it and what else he has in mind to go along with that plan. And bravo clips. Couldn\'t have summed it up better myself.

I d agree with that especially if we consider that this is an election period, and there are efforts to influence voting decision.

Also if what Gigashadow said is any indication, there are lots of interests affected from the wealthiest, who are profit maximizers, control a large portion of the economy, and influence expectations and information. That alone makes me consider the information of an article but still maintain some suspicion

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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2008, 11:03:16 AM »
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Housing crisis?  It is not the governments responsibility to pay for people\'s mistakes.  Those people took out ARMS instead of fixed rate mortgages - I am sorry,but I feel no pity for them and I should not have to pay for their stupidity.  No one is paying my fixed rate mortgage except me.

A decent bill?  Do you mean one filled with so much pork that he has no choice but to veto it?

Oh and get your fucking facts straight - Unemployment rose to 5.5 percent it didn\'t jump 5.5 percent.


Of course i expect people to take full responsibility for taking on those loans...but those type of shady loans went down under his watch....and the banks knew what they were doing,...why is it bush went out of his way to bail out that huge bank on wall st?....but it\'s wrong to bail out those that were almost tricked into buying those homes?...i know it\'s impossible to do that, but using just simple logic, if you could spend billions in iraq and save a huge bank why not help those that are suffering with those shady loans?...and what world are you living in?..you\'re acting like the economy is in great shape,..and Obama is going to make it worse?....keep dreaming...



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You really have no idea how little a President affects the US economy.


I know there are other factors, but you can\'t tell me that with the u.s. spending 12 million a month for this war isn\'t impacting our economy,... it is...any time have to borrow money from china to fund it,..the u.s. is in seriously bad shape...so i guess according to you(giga) the u.s. can sustain spending 12 million until forever or until the iraqi\'s get their s**t together?....please there are plenty of factors of why the u.s. is struggling,..and the war is a huge part of it...
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2008, 02:04:22 PM »
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Of course i expect people to take full responsibility for taking on those loans...but those type of shady loans went down under his watch....and the banks knew what they were doing,...why is it bush went out of his way to bail out that huge bank on wall st?....but it\'s wrong to bail out those that were almost tricked into buying those homes?...i know it\'s impossible to do that, but using just simple logic, if you could spend billions in iraq and save a huge bank why not help those that are suffering with those shady loans?...and what world are you living in?..you\'re acting like the economy is in great shape,..and Obama is going to make it worse?....keep dreaming...

I know there are other factors, but you can\'t tell me that with the u.s. spending 12 million a month for this war isn\'t impacting our economy,... it is...any time have to borrow money from china to fund it,..the u.s. is in seriously bad shape...so i guess according to you(giga) the u.s. can sustain spending 12 million until forever or until the iraqi\'s get their s**t together?....please there are plenty of factors of why the u.s. is struggling,..and the war is a huge part of it...

You are not looking at the big picture.  The price of oil is a big reason our economy is hurting now.  It isn\'t as bad as you and others would like to portray, but it isn\'t the healthiest either.  Unfortunately, no one has a solid solution to get us off of foreign oil.  We have oil here, but the tree huggers won\'t let us get it.  That Leiberman environmental bill was shit!  If that bill would have gone through we would be paying 6 or 7 dollars a gallon for gas because it would have increased the tax on fuel.  This is why democrats suck.  They want to tax people to death and pump that money into worthless government programs that benefit no one.  The Republicans have sort of fallen into this trap and that is why the so many Republicans are fed up with Bush and Congress.  This used to be the big difference between the parties.  

If you look at Obama\'s plan to tax the hell out of capital gains and other market related stuff, the stock market is going to crash and the economy will follow making this current economy look fantastic.  Even Hillary was against his huge tax increases because she knows what will happen.  

Sure the banks knew about ARM\'s, but why is it the governments responsibility to protect people from their own stupidity?  If Bear Sterns went under, a lot of the other major financial institutions would follow and then everyone would be fucked.  The problem that you and some others have clips is your lack of knowledge and vision for the big picture when it comes to the economy.  I am no economist, but I do know the basics and Obama\'s current policies will be terrible for our economy, yes it can get worse.  Much worse.

This is where I have a HUGE problem with Obama.  His economic policies mean more big government, more taxes and more spending on worthless shit.
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2008, 02:18:07 PM »
I love how some guy on a gaming forum knows all about government economics...
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2008, 03:09:59 PM »
Has Obama provided any explanation on the rationale behind the tax plans?

I am curious to know as to understand better what is going on.

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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2008, 03:59:26 PM »
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Has Obama provided any explanation on the rationale behind the tax plans?

I am curious to know as to understand better what is going on.


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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2008, 04:22:54 PM »
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I love how some guy on a gaming forum knows all about government economics...


What is so surprising?  That I know politics?  That I went to college and got my degree in Political Science?  I also said I was not an expert in economics, but I do know a bad policy when I see one.  I also work for a quasi government agency and I do see money getting wasted on a regular basis.  The bigger the government - the bigger the abyss that the money falls into.

By your reasoning, any future discussion involving anything related to MOPAR, we should disregard your posts because this is a gaming forum?
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