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Offline Jumpman

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« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2008, 11:00:46 PM »
It\'s over Unicron, LIC settled it with the number and the discussion has ended. No one cares what you have to say on the subject anyway. You\'re opinion on the US economy holds no value.

Try and move on with your life if you can.
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2008, 11:46:13 PM »
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Of course i expect people to take full responsibility for taking on those loans...but those type of shady loans went down under his watch....and the banks knew what they were doing,...why is it bush went out of his way to bail out that huge bank on wall st?....but it\'s wrong to bail out those that were almost tricked into buying those homes?...i know it\'s impossible to do that, but using just simple logic, if you could spend billions in iraq and save a huge bank why not help those that are suffering with those shady loans?...and what world are you living in?..you\'re acting like the economy is in great shape,..and Obama is going to make it worse?....keep dreaming...

I know there are other factors, but you can\'t tell me that with the u.s. spending 12 million a month for this war isn\'t impacting our economy,... it is...any time have to borrow money from china to fund it,..the u.s. is in seriously bad shape...so i guess according to you(giga) the u.s. can sustain spending 12 million until forever or until the iraqi\'s get their s**t together?....please there are plenty of factors of why the u.s. is struggling,..and the war is a huge part of it...
Btw It has just occurred to me that Obama\'s taxation policy may be a result of the Bush\'s administration\'s mistakes.

The simultaneous tax cuts and the large government spending done by the current government doesnt make sense,( unless we see it as an effort to boost GDP since currently the US economy has been hindered by the sub-prime market crunch). This though creates bigger holes in deficits and government debt. And it passes it to the next government to deal with it.

Obama may be targeting to decrease the gap through taxation because the government spends too much with small sources of revenue. Perhaps he is too vigorous perhaps not. But it looks like he tries to shift the burden towards the profit mongers and the wealthier classes in order not to affect too much the consumption of the middle classes.

As for the Bush\'s administration tax cuts and refunds, it probably served two purposes and is a phenomenon studied by political economics. 1) To gain mind share for the republican party 2) in case of losing in the next election, add difficulties for the next government and force it to rely on policies that are not viewed well by the public.
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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2008, 04:50:36 AM »
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You are not looking at the big picture.  The price of oil is a big reason our economy is hurting now.  It isn\'t as bad as you and others would like to portray, but it isn\'t the healthiest either.  Unfortunately, no one has a solid solution to get us off of foreign oil.  We have oil here, but the tree huggers won\'t let us get it.  That Leiberman environmental bill was shit!  If that bill would have gone through we would be paying 6 or 7 dollars a gallon for gas because it would have increased the tax on fuel.  This is why democrats suck.  They want to tax people to death and pump that money into worthless government programs that benefit no one.  The Republicans have sort of fallen into this trap and that is why the so many Republicans are fed up with Bush and Congress.  This used to be the big difference between the parties.  

If you look at Obama\'s plan to tax the hell out of capital gains and other market related stuff, the stock market is going to crash and the economy will follow making this current economy look fantastic.  Even Hillary was against his huge tax increases because she knows what will happen.  

Sure the banks knew about ARM\'s, but why is it the governments responsibility to protect people from their own stupidity?  If Bear Sterns went under, a lot of the other major financial institutions would follow and then everyone would be fucked.  The problem that you and some others have clips is your lack of knowledge and vision for the big picture when it comes to the economy.  I am no economist, but I do know the basics and Obama\'s current policies will be terrible for our economy, yes it can get worse.  Much worse.

This is where I have a HUGE problem with Obama.  His economic policies mean more big government, more taxes and more spending on worthless shit.



See?...now i can respect this,..instead of you talkin\' like a moonbat,..;)..you gave clear reasons why you feel the way you do towards Obama...that said tho,...from what i understand in listening to him,..and it\'s true that i don\'t fully understand that capital gains stuff,..but from what he stated was just that he was going to make sure that those that are wealthy or well off will end up paying higher taxes since they can take the hit and wouldn\'t be bothered by it...while still keeping tax cuts for the middleclass...

I understand that oil is a huge factor as well and i\'m assuming that some price manipulation is at hand,...these people in the oil business are acting like china,india and other third world countries are buliding a mini-city a day, and that is clearly not the case...another thing is that some nut in israel talks about attacking iran and that makes the oil price go from 130.00 a barrel to 138.00 a barrel?...yes iran is the 2nd largest supplier of oil, but still...just because somebody says something to me is just some bulls**t way to jack the price up...


I do know that with the gov\'t cutting the interest rate in order to help 1st time buyers buy new homes have also crippled the dollar,..and with the u.s. cutting it\'s rates,..as crazy as it sounds it\'s actually better for the u.s. to have an overall high interest rate, because of foreign investors and wealthy investors,..from what i understand these investors have pulled their money from the u.s. because of the low interest return and have invested in other countries where they get higher revenue for the money,...so with the u.s. trying to solve the housing problem with these record low rates, it\'s also crippled the dollar,..so for the time-being it\'s almost like a lose-lose situation.

And until the economy bounces back, again i feel that whoever is the next prez has to raise taxes somewhere,..i mean i\'m no economist either, but i at least know that.
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2008, 05:25:25 AM »
Want my opinion?
No matter who we elect, we\'re screwed.

And this whole Iraq debacle will haunt us for decades.

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2008, 05:27:06 AM »
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And until the economy bounces back, again i feel that whoever is the next prez has to raise taxes somewhere,..i mean i\'m no economist either, but i at least know that.


Raising taxes does not help the economy.
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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2008, 05:32:17 AM »
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Raising taxes does not help the economy.
Raising taxes may serve two things.

-Decrease the rate of inflation
-Cover government debt for future spending

Depending on the propensity to consume taxes affect differently the growth of the economy. If you tax people that have a bigger tendency to save money, the immediate effect is less eminent
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2008, 10:39:52 AM »
Obama is like Robin Hood. Only not gay.
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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2008, 12:09:36 PM »
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Obama is like Robin Hood. Only not gay.


And black. I mean, Obama is black and all.
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« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2008, 08:14:02 PM »
Why are half breeds almost always classified as just black?
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« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2008, 08:52:03 PM »
Do we even have to ask that? Other than Tiger Woods I don\'t know who that is partially black, would not call themselves black.

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« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2008, 04:44:16 AM »
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Why are half breeds almost always classified as just black?

I was thinking to say it but decided to hold back

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« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2008, 05:01:35 AM »
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Why are half breeds almost always classified as just black?


Because every mix I know classifies themselves as black?
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« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2008, 05:17:43 AM »
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Why are half breeds almost always classified as just black?

How dare you speak of his name...YOU FILTHY HALF BLOOD!
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« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2008, 05:55:23 AM »
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Why are half breeds almost always classified as just black?


Cause blacks have the dominating gene...anytime a black and white person have a baby you can tell right from the jump he\'s mixed,...thus black being the domniating factor....*white folks don\'t like to claim mixed kids as being white anyway*...;)....michael jackson\'s kids don\'t count tho,...his genes are rejects...dayum...his kids look like straight up white kids,..they don\'t look mixed at all...
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« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2008, 06:00:22 AM »
Cause the black gene steals everything from the white gene.
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