I think this has gone far enough.?

It hasn\'t gone far enough.

I don\'t give a flying fuck if it\'s the internet. When you wish entire groups of people dead, you\'re nothing but scum of the earth.

And Luke. I guarantee if someone said that, you\'d be upset. But instead, you can try and play it cool.

I don\'t wish anybody dead, I just really wanted lic to be offended for once and according to the following PM I got from him, I succeeded. With that said, I can retract the statement...

the PM:
You got a problem with me, that is fine. Don\'t bring my family into , you piece of shit person from Holland. You and your Cyrpus brother can go fuck a donkey for all I care. It isn\'t my fault you both are idiots who can\'t even speak fuckin\' English and then wanna weasel out of a discussion.

Oh don\'t be some wanna be intelligent fuck. You never had such intentions. Instead you just threw a tantrum and now trying to spin it, as if you didn\'t mean it. You\'re way to stupid to even think ahead like that.

First of all I said are not were. Secondly the point I wanted to make of that specific post/part, was that for decades we feel remorse for the Jews, like the race which has endured a lot, but we ignore their own crimes (and other genocides). Not necessarily in Germany but for example see Israel. The Holocaust is being used over and over and over again as if to keep us away from knowing more. It has become some kind of dogma we blindly follow ignoring everything else and it even got some twists to touch the masses further and their attention away from other events.

Minus the fact we weren\'t talking about Jews as a whole? And we were discussing the holocaust? If he is so fucking dumb he can\'t stay on subject, then he shouldn\'t even post.


Here you go Pet and Uni. Here\'s some porn for you Nazi loving mother fuckers.



Yeah, those people deserved to die, they aren\'t innocent. They\'re jews. Go jack off now, you piece of third world country shit.

People say nasty things to get a rise out of someone.  By playing into their hand you\'re just giving them satisfaction.  You lose

Not about winning. You can\'t win.
About proving a point. It\'s about not letting someone weasel out of this, when they said something and every single person, except one called them on it.

I don\'t think the first one should have been locked.  Maybe move it to CE since things get nasty in there all the time and OT is more... eh laid back.  

Unicron has some explaining to do and he hasn\'t done it.  Sure it is the internet, but isn\'t this just another form of communication?  I am sure this will end up being resolved, but let em battle it out for now.  As long as no personal information is used (ie. comments about someone\'s family), I say let em go at it.

I don\'t think the first one should have been locked.  Maybe move it to CE since things get nasty in there all the time and OT is more... eh laid back.  

Unicron has some explaining to do and he hasn\'t done it.  Sure it is the internet, but isn\'t this just another form of communication?  I am sure this will end up being resolved, but let em battle it out for now.  As long as no personal information is used (ie. comments about someone\'s family), I say let em go at it.

Exactly. That thread was just fine and dandy, but instead, someone starts bringing family into it and it gets closed and Uni gets to walk free away from it. Name calling is fine and dandy, no problems what so ever with that. It never got out of control until Pet there made it worse with his idiotic comment about my kids.

Even better is the fact we were all cussing Uni and calling him on it, but somehow Pet decided to take it all out on me, which is fine. Just amusing, at best.

Re open the thread. It wasn\'t done. Unless there is some new rule that every time there is a heated debate, we just close it , so someone can save face?

The only reason I closed the last one is because it wasnt a debate, it was just name calling.




And Raz, I "play it cool" because I am.


Carry on.

The only reason I closed the last one is because it wasnt a debate, it was just name calling.




And Raz, I "play it cool" because I am.


Carry on.

Alright - fine, whatever. I don\'t want to argue with ya\' Luke. I like you.

With that said - there was no reason to close the original thread. Someone said something and people called him on it. Move it to CE, like Giga suggested.

You can\'t prove a point to someone who doesn\'t want to be taught one.  You can either lose your cool, in which case, as was already said, you\'re playing into their hand, or you can let it go.  Or talk about it from a place of logic, not anger.

I\'d have been killed in the holocaust, were I there at the time.  But there are always going to be idiots who for what ever warped logic try to minimalize what it was.  The same is true for any issue like this.  You can get riled up all you want, but it\'ll only piss you off more than it\'ll do anything to him.  

So what if it\'s locked?...cause that\'s all it\'s gonna be.  The same thing over and over.  You\'ll yell at him, he won\'t care, and he\'ll keep talking in circles without saying anything.

All any one wants is his logic. Instead, he is a complete dick and makes random comments like "read back" and dances around the subject. If he is brave enough to say it, he should be able to back his statement up. Don\'t use comments like "Read back", "already answered", "not gonna explain this" or my favorite was when he used the whole \'English isn\'t my first language\' excuse.

Oh, I\'m not arguing about that point...I\'m just saying, it\'s pretty clear you\'re not gonna get any logic out of him anyway, so what\'s the point of getting all pissed off about it?  Some people are just like that...the only way of dealing with them is writing off what they have to say as not worth hearing anyway.

Oh, I\'m not arguing about that point...I\'m just saying, it\'s pretty clear you\'re not gonna get any logic out of him anyway, so what\'s the point of getting all pissed off about it?  Some people are just like that...the only way of dealing with them is writing off what they have to say as not worth hearing anyway.

The thread would of eventually died on it\'s own. It should of been allowed to continue, at least. If he decided to just not post in it again, fine. Every one would of lost interest. As it is, he gets to make some off hand comment and avoid having to back his logic up. That\'s absurd.

That\'s my problem with it. We are pussy footing around the whole thing. It was a heated debate and it should of been left as such.  Other than Pet\'s retarded comment about my family, there really wasn\'t anything out of the ordinary in that thread. So, let the members keep calling Uni on it and let the thread run its course. One side would of gave up eventually.  I mean, it\'s not like this forum is busting with activity, so why not let the thread go on? When was the last time we had a thread that was on page seven and likely to keep going?  Closing that thread not only let Uni off the hook, but it stifles any communication and debate that could go on . What\'s the fun of a forum if you can\'t have a heated debate, because some Mod says "the internet bullies are out"?

People were actually discussing history among the insults thrown in. Let it continue. Hell, it\'s one of the better threads this forum has had in a long time.


And P.S

I edited my original post where I insulted Luke. I have nothing against Luke, he\'s a cool guy. I was pissed when he said "Awesome", because, as far as I knew, him and I had no \'internet beef\'. But, oh well, fuck it.  That\'s that.  I would rather us focus on the fact that thread shouldn\'t of been closed.

[Jumpman]

Unicorn makes me angry on a poster\'s level. I think he might be the absolute worst poster in the history of PSX2Central. I\'ve never seen someone be so constantly wrong. His opinions mean nothing. If I was his five year old son I\'d devise a plan to get adopted somehow knowing my life is in immediate jeopardy. He never admits he\'s wrong, instead choosing to write a two page post about some obscure topic briefly mentioned in the thread.

It\'s like watching a specie going extinct in front of your eyes. Everyone knows  the result, but he drags on avoidable the inevitable.

Alright - fine, whatever. I don\'t want to argue with ya\' Luke. I like you.

With that said - there was no reason to close the original thread. Someone said something and people called him on it. Move it to CE, like Giga suggested.

I personally wouldn\'t have closed the original thread. But, mm is the head cheese, so whaddya gonna do?


And Raz, me saying "awesome" was meant sarcastically as to my opinion of how the thread was going.


I forget sarcasm is hard to get with typing.



We have no beef.


But if this thread just turns into a bash Uni thread it\'ll probably just get closed too. I\'m pretty sure he\'s done talking about this.



Anyways, yeah.

[Titan]

I feel I need to put my 2 cents in because this is beginning to funnel into the very welfare of the board in general and I feel a neutral parties deconstruction of the whole incident is needed. I thought this was just an issue between Raz, Uni and Politie but it is affecting all of us. You can seriously feel the tension in every thread now.

Before I go into my opinion, I just want to be clear that I respect everyone here and have no enemies and do respect everyone\'s opinions no matter if they are right, wrong, gay, serious, a joke, whatever. I just try to read things and respond with an open mind, though sometimes I don\'t like many others.

I did enjoy debating Uni about the Halocaust but I am still a bit confused about why he felt the Jews were not innocent as well as some other facts which I had to reread a few times to get the jist. He even PMed me to see if I understood his post and I explained my stance about how it was a bit unclear. I think I understood what he was TRYING to say but I did not and still do not agree at all with what he had to say.

To be honest, this has dragged out so far, I\'m starting to forget what exactly happened and what the original points were. The only thing that is sticking in my mind right now is the fact he stated the Jews weren\'t innocent, which I disagree with 100% (and because it was repeated so much in different threads that it is the only thing I remember at this point from the original topic). It did come across as the fact that he meant they deserved it but I don\'t know if that was his intention. But what he said was what he said and it doesn\'t matter his intention but how it was communicated and he can\'t take that back.

I do feel he needs to sit down and write a response that is completely clear and coherent as to clear up any confusion of his post. Just saying "look back" doesn\'t help because everyone knows this board; no one really goes back to make sense of a post that was confusing from the get go. He said in the thread he explained it again and again but there was so much mudslinging that I don\'t know if its even there or not or if it was clearer. Either that or just not do anything and see if it dies down (which at this rate it will be a long long time)

I did think polities post was a bit off color and I understood why Raz was upset. I would be too to be honest and I was a bit uneased when I read it. Politie I took was just trying to get a rise out of Raz but wishing harm on someone\'s family, serious or not to certain people is just not a laughing matter. Some just shake it off, others don\'t and Raz I take is very defensive over his family and I understand why he is upset. Insult the poster, not an innocent party

Anyway, I don\'t want to take sides because even though this is an internet message board, I can seriously feel the tension as if we were all sitting in a room. I just wanted to put in my two cents and present everything the way I see it from my observations as a neutral party. If this works or not, who knows. But things are just getting a bit out of hand and need a resolution. I feel that we either need to let this go and move on or someone has to man up and either explain, apologize or clarify.

Can we all go back to making fun of Fred please?

That \'crippled\' bastard. His sister has aids you know.