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Offline luckee
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That in itself is a biased opinion, not a generally accepted fact.

Do you honestly think Obama is a squeakly clean politician?  Do I honestly need to mention the name Bill Ayers?



It is a fact that Bush and that admin lied. They lied to get us into a war and then changed the story repeatedly.

They snuck around the typical ways to get phone taps.

Why do you feel the need to compare Obama to Bush? When it is proven that Obama did something wrong...different story.

Again, why did you even mention Bush in this thread in the first place?
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It is a fact that Bush and that admin lied. They lied to get us into a war and then changed the story repeatedly.

They snuck around the typical ways to get phone taps.

Why do you feel the need to compare Obama to Bush? When it is proven that Obama did something wrong...different story.

Again, why did you even mention Bush in this thread in the first place?


Because you gave him the same treatment I\'m giving Obama.

I don\'t know where you get these fabrications that Obama is a saint that would never lie to us.

Here\'s a list:

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLies.htm
http://obamalies.net/
http://www.rightklik.net/2009/03/obamas-lies-and-broken-promises.html
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/03/30/more-obama-lies-media-will-ignore
http://www.rense.com/general83/lah.htm

There, is that enough?  Should I keep going?
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Jesus Christ, you might be worse than giga.

I can only laugh at what you post.
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So which of those facts do you dispute?
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This forum was idle for months at a time under the Bush administration.  I don\'t know where you\'re getting this assumtion that "we did the same to Bush."  
 
Do you mean post untrue bullshit and crazy editorials?  Unfortunately the few times anyone bothered to post a negative comment about Bush, it was usually later proven to be true.
 
Unlinked crazy editorials have always been Giga\'s specialty, not the local liberals.
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Believe what you want.  But know this, its easy to pick on someone when you\'re outnumbered.  This board has become increasingly liberal and without me it would be a liberal droolfest over Obama and then ultimately it would die.

I may be a come off as a no-good right winger, but that doesn\'t mean I\'m always wrong.
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the board would die if you weren\'t here?
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the board would die if you weren\'t here?


No, Current Events and Polital Debate would.  Primarily because there would be no Political debate.
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Do you honestly think Obama is a squeakly clean politician?  Do I honestly need to mention the name Bill Ayers?



That is such a weak argument...the guy blows something up when obama was a kid, then years later both of them hook up for a good cause to improve the quality of the educational system in chicago.....but the only thing Mccain and Palin kept sayin\' at the time was that he hangs out with terrorists. The guy may have been a jerk in his earlier years, but that had nothing to do with obama.

He later joined Obama for a good cause for the educational system in chicago...whether or not that venture worked is not the issue,..it\'s the overall thought. Obama has always worked at "street" and "social worker" type levels to get things done in the community




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Well, we\'re glad to see Obama\'s shifting the blame from the consumer to the automakers.  That must explain why the Illinois Senator and Presidential candidate owns a HEMI-powered V8 Chrysler 300C.  

Obviously it\'s Chrysler\'s fault Obama bought a big 5.7-liter engine from them -- he just didn\'t have a choice.



^^^I just pulled this from one of those idiotic links you provided....did you know that the ceo of ford, or at least that guy that represented ford when they were asking for bailout funds earlier this year in front of congress?, he actually owns a lexus.
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No, it wouldn\'t die. We would just have one less idiot trolling the forums.

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No, it wouldn\'t die. We would just have one less idiot trolling the forums.


Well we did, then you showed up.
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Obama doesn\'t lie?  Pfft...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090429/D97SCPI00.html

FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape
 
Apr 29, 5:55 PM (ET)

By CALVIN WOODWARD
 
(AP) President Barack Obama speaks during a town hall meeting Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at Fox Senior...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - "That wasn\'t me," President Barack Obama said on his 100th day in office, disclaiming responsibility for the huge budget deficit waiting for him on Day One.

It actually was him - and the other Democrats controlling Congress the previous two years - who shaped a budget so out of balance.

And as a presidential candidate and president-elect, he backed the twilight Bush-era stimulus plan that made the deficit deeper, all before he took over and promoted spending plans that have made it much deeper still.


Obama met citizens at an Arnold, Mo., high school Wednesday in advance of his prime-time news conference. Both forums were a platform to review his progress at the 100-day mark and look ahead.

At various times, he brought an air of certainty to ambitions that are far from cast in stone.

His assertion that his proposed budget "will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term" is an eyeball-roller among many economists, given the uncharted terrain of trillion-dollar deficits and economic calamity that the government is negotiating.

He promised vast savings from increased spending on preventive health care in the face of doubts that such an effort, however laudable it might be for public welfare, can pay for itself, let alone yield huge savings.

A look at some of his claims Wednesday:

OBAMA: "Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit.... That wasn\'t me. Number two, there is almost uniform consensus among economists that in the middle of the biggest crisis, financial crisis, since the Great Depression, we had to take extraordinary steps. So you\'ve got a lot of Republican economists who agree that we had to do a stimulus package and we had to do something about the banks. Those are one-time charges, and they\'re big, and they\'ll make our deficits go up over the next two years." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS:

Congress controls the purse strings, not the president, and it was under Democratic control for Obama\'s last two years as Illinois senator. Obama supported the emergency bailout package in President George W. Bush\'s final months - a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.

To be sure, Obama opposed the Iraq war, a drain on federal coffers for six years before he became president. But with one major exception, he voted in support of Iraq war spending.

The economy has worsened under Obama, though from forces surely in play before he became president, and he can credibly claim to have inherited a grim situation.

Still, his response to the crisis goes well beyond "one-time charges."

He\'s persuaded Congress to expand children\'s health insurance, education spending, health information technology and more. He\'s moving ahead on a variety of big-ticket items on health care, the environment, energy and transportation that, if achieved, will be more enduring than bank bailouts and aid for homeowners.

The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated his policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years, even accounting for his spending reduction goals. Now, the deficit is nearly quadrupling to $1.75 trillion.




Obama is going to kill this country and has already gotten off to a great start.

clips - Ford didn\'t take the bailout money.  None of the automakers should have.  Ayers is not a good guy and never will be clips.  The Chicago education system is still horrible.  Obama is out of his league with his numerous gaffe\'s and screw ups when it comes to foreign policy.  He embarrasses the US on a consistant basis on the world stage - even the President of France thinks he is a light weight and lacks substance.  Guess he can\'t bring his teleprompter to closed door meetings eh?

Kennedy - I warned you what the kool-aid drinkers like Coredweller in this forum where like, now you see.  

CORE - is that link good enough for you????  AP?  Woodward???  I am sure you have read it yourself, but were too dazzled by Obama\'s swagger, the Portuguese Water dog and Michelle\'s fat ass to let it fully process.
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Finally, someone else who can see past the mirage of Obama\'s presidency.  Finally some balance will be restored to the forums.
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Mirage? He\'s done quite a bit in the last few months, that\'s no mirage.
 
His marketed persona... Maybe you mean that. That\'s a cool thing that he uses to try to persuade people into feeling confident and to go about helping fix things in their own/our lives. It\'s a way to be a good leader. I know it\'s odd, but that\'s probably because we\'re not used to having a good leader.
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To be sure, Obama opposed the Iraq war, a drain on federal coffers for six years before he became president. But with one major exception, he voted in support of Iraq war spending.


That was a tough vote...even tho he wanted to end the war, at the same time he didn\'t want to leave the troops stranded with no funding for armor, bullet proof vests, military weapons, ammo...etc...so that comment is a bit misleading.



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He\'s persuaded Congress to expand children\'s health insurance, education spending, health information technology and more. He\'s moving ahead on a variety of big-ticket items on health care, the environment, energy and transportation that, if achieved, will be more enduring than bank bailouts and aid for homeowners.



And there\'s something wrong with expanding childrens health insurance? There\'s something wrong with trying to bolster our educational system?....but in the bush era during the still ongoing iraq war, you\'d better give him money for the war with no questions asked? Every presidential candidate has always stated that it\'s time for america to take the lead in creating new energy technologies, and to create new jobs in that sector...it\'s good to see he\'s actually doing something about it.

If he\'s going to raise the debt a bit by investing in america through these new technologies, i don\'t see a problem with that. You have college kids that take on an absurd amount of debt to get the education they need...they spend thousands investing in themselves...the same applies here.



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clips - Ford didn\'t take the bailout money. None of the automakers should have. Ayers is not a good guy and never will be clips. The Chicago education system is still horrible. Obama is out of his league with his numerous gaffe\'s and screw ups when it comes to foreign policy. He embarrasses the US on a consistant basis on the world stage - even the President of France thinks he is a light weight and lacks substance. Guess he can\'t bring his teleprompter to closed door meetings eh?



I know that ford didn\'t take the bailout money,..that wasn\'t the point....i was pointing how idiotic that statement was that i pulled from a link that kennedy posted....whatever criticism Obama has made of chrysler, at least he did own one. That ceo of ford who came before congress during those meetings actually owns a lexus....way to show your support for your own product. And just because Obama listens to our allies instead of dictating to them, isn\'t a sign of weakness...he stated that he wanted to things differently on the world stage and that is what he\'s been doing.
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