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LOL@ teleprompter comment.
Yeah - because we all know CEO\'s and other Presidents never use one of those.

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That was a tough vote...even tho he wanted to end the war, at the same time he didn\'t want to leave the troops stranded with no funding for armor, bullet proof vests, military weapons, ammo...etc...so that comment is a bit misleading.


He voted for the first stimulis package - remember the one Bush did before he left office?  The one the Dems wanted to be larger?  So by saying "It wasn\'t me who created this debt" is a flat out lie.




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And there\'s something wrong with expanding childrens health insurance? There\'s something wrong with trying to bolster our educational system?....but in the bush era during the still ongoing iraq war, you\'d better give him money for the war with no questions asked? Every presidential candidate has always stated that it\'s time for america to take the lead in creating new energy technologies, and to create new jobs in that sector...it\'s good to see he\'s actually doing something about it.

If he\'s going to raise the debt a bit by investing in america through these new technologies, i don\'t see a problem with that. You have college kids that take on an absurd amount of debt to get the education they need...they spend thousands investing in themselves...the same applies here.


So throwing money at something that is broken is the way to fix it?  Wrong.  We have been dumping money into schools for decades and it does not work.  

As for this "new energy" crap that is being spewed by the media (cough GE - parent company of NBC) is all about money.  Cap and trade is a bullshit tax that would make our electric bills - everyone\'s electric bill go through the roof by artificially inflating the cost.  Obama is rewarding GE/NBC for supporting him throughout the primaries and the general election by trying to get this bill passed so they can make more money.  

This is the same kind of nonsense T. Boone Pickens was pedeling last year with his stupid commercials.  He invested heavily in solar, natural gas and wind and wanted everyone to jump on his bandwagon.  The same applies for the unholy alliance of Obama and GE.  


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I know that ford didn\'t take the bailout money,..that wasn\'t the point....i was pointing how idiotic that statement was that i pulled from a link that kennedy posted....whatever criticism Obama has made of chrysler, at least he did own one. That ceo of ford who came before congress during those meetings actually owns a lexus....way to show your support for your own product. And just because Obama listens to our allies instead of dictating to them, isn\'t a sign of weakness...he stated that he wanted to things differently on the world stage and that is what he\'s been doing.


Who cares what a CEO drives?  I don\'t.  When did Venezuala become our ally clips?  How about Iran?  The guy is way out of his league on the world stage.  Just ask Gordon Brown how those DVD\'s are working out that Obama gave him considering he can\'t even play them due to regional formatting, not to mention Brown is half blind.  Obama is a disgrace.
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LOL@ teleprompter comment.
Yeah - because we all know CEO\'s and other Presidents never use one of those.


True, but when you take away his teleprompter he is an complete disaster.  Most other Presidents could actually speak publicly in front of the nation sans a teleprompter and not look like a complete fool, I\'m still waiting for that moment from Obama.
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He can\'t speak without his teleprompter...  it is proven.  He sounds like Stuttering John (old Stern lacky).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSnEMV58F8

Never has a president relied so much on one.  It is almost like every morning someone has to download the talking points of the day into him.
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True, but when you take away his teleprompter he is an complete disaster.  Most other Presidents could actually speak publicly in front of the nation sans a teleprompter and not look like a complete fool, I\'m still waiting for that moment from Obama.
He isn\'t a bad speaker without the teleprompter.  I thought he did a decent job without it.  Sometimes I feel like he is doing too much with press conferences.  I think it would be better if he reduce the amount of press conferences so he has more time to handle other issues or has more time to relax every once in a while.

When it comes to politics and Economics talk, I think he did an okay at it without the teleprompter.  Its would be hard to remember all those specific details about economy, political, and technology when giving speeches without paper in hand or a teleprompter.  But when it comes to normal conversation, he talks normally just like every normal person could.

I think our previous president actually did worst with public speeches than Obama did.  Have you seen how often Bush messed up his speeches even when he has paper in hand ready?  I think Bush struggle more with giving speeches than Obama did.  Bush seems uncomfortable, and nervous around people and because of those problems he has, it makes him really awkward socializing and interacting with  other people even by just having normal conversation.  Because of his awkwardness around people, it might make some people took it the wrong way and might turn people off.

Sometimes I wonder that\'s quite strange indeed since Bush was born from a wealthy family, and I think he probably raised up well by both parents, and it\'s strange that he has speech problems and being awkward around people.  Its not like he was raised from a poor family with single parent that neglect him or if he was isolated most of his childhood life or something.  But who knows what his childhood life was like growing up.

I wouldn\'t be surprised if Bush\'s father is a better speaker and better at interacting with other than Bush is.  Simply because his father doesn\'t have the anxiety or nervousness or uncomfortable around people that Bush has.

I think another thing about Bush is he lack the charismatic appearance or speech for that matter that Obama has.  I think that part of the reason that Obama gain a lot of respects and impressions from other wherever he go to.  Like go to this country talking to this leader or that country\'s leader whether its political or normal conversation.
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Bush was not a great at giving speeches either, but he did make an effort to avoid the use of a teleprompter.  Needless to say, Obama is a much better public speaker than Bush, but he\'s still terrible sans a teleprompter.

No man could deliver a speech quite like Reagan, and we really haven\'t had a great president since then.
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Bush was not a great at giving speeches either, but he did make an effort to avoid the use of a teleprompter.  Needless to say, Obama is a much better public speaker than Bush, but he\'s still terrible sans a teleprompter.

No man could deliver a speech quite like Reagan, and we really haven\'t had a great president since then.



And it was very obvious when he did not use the prompter.

I agree Reagan had great delivery, but that had to do with his acting skills.
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He can\'t speak without his teleprompter...  it is proven.  He sounds like Stuttering John (old Stern lacky).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSnEMV58F8

Never has a president relied so much on one.  It is almost like every morning someone has to download the talking points of the day into him.


Not sure what your point was by posting some stupid YouTube video?
Anyway , didn\'t you leave or something?

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Not sure what your point was by posting some stupid YouTube video?
Anyway , didn\'t you leave or something?


I was kind of hoping you\'d leave.

Wishful thinking I guess.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs

What a great speech.

Great speech indeed, but he\'s also reading it off the paper.  I think Obama did very well too whether reading it off the paper or the teleprompter.

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Great speech indeed, but he\'s also reading it off the paper.  I think Obama did very well too whether reading it off the paper or the teleprompter.


Reading from a teleprompter and glancing at notes on a piece of paper is just a tad different.
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...No man could deliver a speech quite like Reagan, and we really haven\'t had a great president since then...
How about Bill Clinton?  I thought he\'s also one of the greatest speakers too.  Obama is great with the teleprompter and very good at reading it off the paper.  Maybe not great at reading it off the paper, but more than good enough to me...
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true, he had weak morals and ethics, but he did a decent job

I still wouldn\'t call him a great president though.
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Clinton was getting blowjobs and enjoyed McDonald fries.  What can be more American?  He fuckin\' rocked. I would of reelected him until he died and then cloned him for a 100 more terms!

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