Times: Obama polling one point shy of being least popular president in 40 years

How about this: Keep your enemies closer?

So they can stab you in the back?

[Viper_Fujax]

Your like the Belgians - when you see a threat, you cave!

If people like you were in charge the Venezualen army would be marching across our borders as we speak.

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People just need to relax...there were no major contracts and exchanges involved....he went down there to extend his hand and to pursue an opportunity to thaw strained relationships. He made it very clear during the campaign that he wants to change the image of america, and he\'s been doing that....he\'s also stated that he\'s not afraid to sit down with leaders of other countries that might not like us, face to face....instead of not talking to them at all and sending "representatives" to speak for him. He\'s doing things differently and the republicans think it\'s a sign of weakness.

The Europeans may not have liked Bush\'s aggressive stance, but they respected it. More than I can say they feel about Obama\'s 2009 Apology Tour.

And we alll know how that worked out?.....Bush couldn\'t really get much support for the iraq war other than Britain, and support from other countries dropped at a dramatic pace. Bush may have been the lone cowboy, but that in itself was the truth....even among our allies he was ill-liked for actions towards iraq. No matter how strong or powerful the u.s. may be, at some point you\'re going to need to work together with other countries at some point on an array of issues that both countries may have a huge interest in and that may result in both countries benefiting from that relationship.

Bush\'s reign basically squashed any true relationship economically with other up and coming  countries that we normally may not have been inclined to work with. Obama\'s reaching out to other countries is not going to guarantee brighter days or better relationships with countries that we normally may not talk to, but i think it will strengthen our relationship with countries that have been our solid ally for years....and whether or not the countries that may not like us respond positively or negatively to Obama\'s outreach isn\'t the point,....at least he\'s showing that he\'s willing to end old arguments and start fresh with open and honest debates about the relationship between the said countries, and how to move forward on those issues.

Your like the Belgians - when you see a threat, you cave!

If people like you were in charge the Venezualen army would be marching across our borders as we speak.

No, I prefer to walk quietly with a big stick... a big fuckin BOOM stick which we already have a shitload of...........

People just need to relax...there were no major contracts and exchanges involved....he went down there to extend his hand and to pursue an opportunity to thaw strained relationships. He made it very clear during the campaign that he wants to change the image of america, and he\'s been doing that....he\'s also stated that he\'s not afraid to sit down with leaders of other countries that might not like us, face to face....instead of not talking to them at all and sending "representatives" to speak for him. He\'s doing things differently and the republicans think it\'s a sign of weakness.




And we alll know how that worked out?.....Bush couldn\'t really get much support for the iraq war other than Britain, and support from other countries dropped at a dramatic pace. Bush may have been the lone cowboy, but that in itself was the truth....even among our allies he was ill-liked for actions towards iraq. No matter how strong or powerful the u.s. may be, at some point you\'re going to need to work together with other countries at some point on an array of issues that both countries may have a huge interest in and that may result in both countries benefiting from that relationship.

Bush\'s reign basically squashed any true relationship economically with other up and coming  countries that we normally may not have been inclined to work with. Obama\'s reaching out to other countries is not going to guarantee brighter days or better relationships with countries that we normally may not talk to, but i think it will strengthen our relationship with countries that have been our solid ally for years....and whether or not the countries that may not like us respond positively or negatively to Obama\'s outreach isn\'t the point,....at least he\'s showing that he\'s willing to end old arguments and start fresh with open and honest debates about the relationship between the said countries, and how to move forward on those issues.

Obama accomplished what on his European Apology Tour?  He wanted help in Afghanistan didn\'t he?  Did he get it?  No.  He just made us look foolish.  I would rather be hated for taking tough stances than look like the complete joke that Obama is.

As far as sitting down face to face and talking... does that involve his teleprompter?  

I can only hope things get bad enough where Texas and few other states can leave the shell that once was America.  Before you say "seeya" remember Texas has the 2nd largest economy in the US and most of the refining capability.  Obama has increased the size and power of the Federal Government beyond what is stated in the Constitution.  We are also a donor state - meaning we give our gas tax to the federal government so they can give it to crap states like the ones in the north east build and maintain their roads and bridges.  If you think my feelings are off track, the governor of Texas said recently Texas has the right to seceed and Oklahoma is passing a bill reaffirming their states rights.  People are sick of the goverment spending money on worthless social programs that have no return.

People just need to relax...there were no major contracts and exchanges involved....he went down there to extend his hand and to pursue an opportunity to thaw strained relationships. He made it very clear during the campaign that he wants to change the image of america, and he\'s been doing that....he\'s also stated that he\'s not afraid to sit down with leaders of other countries that might not like us, face to face....instead of not talking to them at all and sending "representatives" to speak for him. He\'s doing things differently and the republicans think it\'s a sign of weakness.




And we alll know how that worked out?.....Bush couldn\'t really get much support for the iraq war other than Britain, and support from other countries dropped at a dramatic pace. Bush may have been the lone cowboy, but that in itself was the truth....even among our allies he was ill-liked for actions towards iraq. No matter how strong or powerful the u.s. may be, at some point you\'re going to need to work together with other countries at some point on an array of issues that both countries may have a huge interest in and that may result in both countries benefiting from that relationship.

Bush\'s reign basically squashed any true relationship economically with other up and coming  countries that we normally may not have been inclined to work with. Obama\'s reaching out to other countries is not going to guarantee brighter days or better relationships with countries that we normally may not talk to, but i think it will strengthen our relationship with countries that have been our solid ally for years....and whether or not the countries that may not like us respond positively or negatively to Obama\'s outreach isn\'t the point,....at least he\'s showing that he\'s willing to end old arguments and start fresh with open and honest debates about the relationship between the said countries, and how to move forward on those issues.

Obama accomplished what on his European Apology Tour?  He wanted help in Afghanistan didn\'t he?  Did he get it?  No.  He just made us look foolish.  I would rather be hated for taking tough stances than look like the complete joke that Obama is.

As far as sitting down face to face and talking... does that involve his teleprompter?  I can only hope things get bad enough where Texas and few other states can leave the shell that once was America.  Before you say "seeya" remember Texas has the 2nd largest economy in the US and most of the refining capability.  Obama has increased the size and power of the Federal Government beyond what is stated in the Constitution.

Oh god......

I just realized I live in the same state as Giga.  Shoot me.

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Obama accomplished what on his European Apology Tour?  He wanted help in Afghanistan didn\'t he?  Did he get it?  No.  He just made us look foolish.  I would rather be hated for taking tough stances than look like the complete joke that Obama is.

As far as sitting down face to face and talking... does that involve his teleprompter?  

I can only hope things get bad enough where Texas and few other states can leave the shell that once was America.  Before you say "seeya" remember Texas has the 2nd largest economy in the US and most of the refining capability.  Obama has increased the size and power of the Federal Government beyond what is stated in the Constitution.  We are also a donor state - meaning we give our gas tax to the federal government so they can give it to crap states like the ones in the north east build and maintain their roads and bridges.  If you think my feelings are off track, the governor of Texas said recently Texas has the right to seceed and Oklahoma is passing a bill reaffirming their states rights.  People are sick of the goverment spending money on worthless social programs that have no return.

It doesn\'t matter whether those countries that he asked to help refused to join us in afghanastan....the folks that hit us on 9/11 reside in that area....and at it only makes sense for us to go in there and clean house....yes the extra help would\'ve been appreciated, but other countries are not obligated to assist us...(if Obama was upset by this, i\'m sure he\'ll return the favor when these countries need something from us in the future)...even if we don\'t get bin laden, at the very least we have to stabilize the area so that the taliban and other rogue groups don\'t grow in size and power.

As far as that texas governor talkin\' that idiotic seceed nonsense? It\'ll never happen...that\'s true right wing nut philosophy talkin\'. Obama is doing what he has to do to bring this economy back...so what if the rich has to pay a little bit more in taxes...what he\'s suggesting isn\'t going to break them....the huge amount of funds that he gave to our financial system was needed in order to avoid a total breakdown of the system and to avoid another depression.

Doing nothing and letting our major financial firms fail would do more harm than good. I don\'t understand how some folks can say "let them fail", when these companies have just about EVERYBODY in a headlock as far as their mortgages and other financial interests that families may have....yes i agree that some companies must fall, but i feel that certain companies, if the risk is too great for the majority of americans, i say he\'s doing the right thing in not letting our financial system crash.

I can only hope things get bad enough where Texas and few other states can leave the shell that once was America.  Before you say "seeya" remember Texas has the 2nd largest economy in the US and most of the refining capability.  Obama has increased the size and power of the Federal Government beyond what is stated in the Constitution.  We are also a donor state - meaning we give our gas tax to the federal government so they can give it to crap states like the ones in the north east build and maintain their roads and bridges.  If you think my feelings are off track, the governor of Texas said recently Texas has the right to seceed and Oklahoma is passing a bill reaffirming their states rights.  People are sick of the goverment spending money on worthless social programs that have no return.

Yea and Mexico would invade your ass and take it back.  lol

See the prior attempt at this, which resulted in the Civil War. I really doubt the nation has changed to such an extent as to now allow states to secede should the whim strike them. Not to mention they got beat into submission like a hard headed housewife.

 You\'d have two options:

1) Steal everything that is government owned and use that to start out your new Nation. However you\'d have to deal with the repercussions of stealing from the U.S. which would most likely involve a severe military reaction.

or

2) Use strictly your own resources to start your nation without the aid of any other country in a world-wide economic depression while most likely fending off economic, political, and military attacks from multiple threats.

I don\'t see how you\'d be able to survive. Either way you\'re fucked.

By all means, secede and keep that moron governor Perry to yourselves.

[Paul2]

It doesn\'t matter whether those countries that he asked to help refused to join us in afghanastan....the folks that hit us on 9/11 reside in that area....and at it only makes sense for us to go in there and clean house....yes the extra help would\'ve been appreciated, but other countries are not obligated to assist us...(if Obama was upset by this, i\'m sure he\'ll return the favor when these countries need something from us in the future)...even if we don\'t get bin laden, at the very least we have to stabilize the area so that the taliban and other rogue groups don\'t grow in size and power....

I believe there are more countries helping us with troops fighting the war in Afghanistan but not in Iraq.  I think the only major country that supports us on war in Iraq is Britain.  I guess other countries agree fighting in Afghanistan than fighting in Iraq.

The British troops are pulling out of Iraq.

It doesn\'t matter whether those countries that he asked to help refused to join us in afghanastan....the folks that hit us on 9/11 reside in that area....and at it only makes sense for us to go in there and clean house....yes the extra help would\'ve been appreciated, but other countries are not obligated to assist us...(if Obama was upset by this, i\'m sure he\'ll return the favor when these countries need something from us in the future)...even if we don\'t get bin laden, at the very least we have to stabilize the area so that the taliban and other rogue groups don\'t grow in size and power.

As far as that texas governor talkin\' that idiotic seceed nonsense? It\'ll never happen...that\'s true right wing nut philosophy talkin\'. Obama is doing what he has to do to bring this economy back...so what if the rich has to pay a little bit more in taxes...what he\'s suggesting isn\'t going to break them....the huge amount of funds that he gave to our financial system was needed in order to avoid a total breakdown of the system and to avoid another depression.

Doing nothing and letting our major financial firms fail would do more harm than good. I don\'t understand how some folks can say "let them fail", when these companies have just about EVERYBODY in a headlock as far as their mortgages and other financial interests that families may have....yes i agree that some companies must fall, but i feel that certain companies, if the risk is too great for the majority of americans, i say he\'s doing the right thing in not letting our financial system crash.

So you admit he accomplished nothing.  Hell, Bush got more help in Afghanistan than Mr. Apoligetic did.

Right wing what?  This has to do with the Federal government overstepping its role.  Obama hasn\'t a clue how to bring this economy back.  He thinks taxing people more is going to help?  He is a typical big spending Democrat.  Free markets are set up so that only the successful succeed.  This isn\'t a participation sport where even if you fail, you still get an award.

Yea and Mexico would invade your ass and take it back.  lol

See the prior attempt at this, which resulted in the Civil War. I really doubt the nation has changed to such an extent as to now allow states to secede should the whim strike them. Not to mention they got beat into submission like a hard headed housewife.

 You\'d have two options:

1) Steal everything that is government owned and use that to start out your new Nation. However you\'d have to deal with the repercussions of stealing from the U.S. which would most likely involve a severe military reaction.

or

2) Use strictly your own resources to start your nation without the aid of any other country in a world-wide economic depression while most likely fending off economic, political, and military attacks from multiple threats.

I don\'t see how you\'d be able to survive. Either way you\'re fucked.

By all means, secede and keep that moron governor Perry to yourselves.

Do you really think for one second that if Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas and a few other states left the Union that our troops would invade if Obummer asked them to?  Most of our troops despise him and come from this area of the country and would not take an order to kill their own countrymen from him.  Not to mention, unlike you libs - we are armed.  So by all means try and take it back.  The Mexican Army?  What?  You have to be kidding me.  A Boy Scout troop could fend them off.

Hypothetically, I think it would be the rest of the US that wouldn\'t survive if we left.  The northeast would starve and freeze to death.  The west coast is nearly bankrupt now, with the loss of a few states it would be a reality.

I\'m not one for secession, but if they did, and they had a better tax code than the US\'s I would leave in a heartbeat.  I think the military would def back secession in most cases.

What\'s that about history and being doomed to repeat it?

OK,AK, and TX...yea that is much better

You would get fucked again. It would suck if it turned out to to be north vs south again. I\'d have to move back up north...fuck the south.

Do you really think you could survive without federal assistance?


You bet your ass the military would back the government, otherwise they would end up in jail or could just go to the other side. Do you really think the majority would go with a crazy state or two that decided to go solo?