Why do people hate PS2?..

I like it when someone explains  like Ginko.

Are you being sarcastic?

Though Nplayer is pretty harsh on the xbox gamestock event, i got to agree with him on the later part of the ps2 life.Games are looking ever flawless and nice...Dropship, GT3,AC4 and probably Wipeout Fusion proof this but you guys had to see Dropship..the environment is just too big .

Jaggie issue is a thing of the past as demonstrated by games like EA Rumble Racing where it has clean graphics such as ATV but move at speed more than 60 FPS.

To Unicron!:

That shows you assume too much. I visit this forum regularly. I just don\'t POST regularly. Also, psx2central.com is not the only website around for info. For your information, I visit numerous other websites so you are the one who needs more "experience".

Before we get into this, let me just make something clear. I did not bash PS2. I did not stick the competition in PS2\'s face. This thread started with all the wonders of PS2, while ignoring all the negatives, and the positives and advantages of the competitors. The competition was bashed while the PS2 has its own flaws. Don\'t praise your console while pointing out all the problems of the competitors. Take a closer look at home, first.

The positives or advantages I listed were not to kick sand in PS2\'s face. It goes to show the competition has a couple of tricks up its sleeve, too.

About the VRAM, I could care less about that. I don\'t hate the PS2 for this issue. I don\'t hate PS2, period. I have a dislike for it simply because of the unimpressive games. That will all change in the future.

Was the DC too expensive because of 2 extra controller ports?

You misundertand. If it was a war of 1st party software alone, Sony would go down first. Sega and Nintendo are the top 2 1st party companies. Sony as a first party couldn\'t compete. Which is why 3rd parties are so important to them.

Combatting piracy is certainly important. There\'s nothing wrong with putting games out on multiple disks.

Once again, because MS has major support, XBOX is certainly a viable contender.

Of course this has something to do with this thread. The guy seems to think the PS2 is perfect. Technology doesn\'t seem to evolve past Sony.

Also, yes, Sega is going multiplatform but so far, they\'re all ports of old games. As long as the DC is still alive, Sega will still be a 1st party.

N-Player, you are an idiot

nah..

1) does the TTT intro look anything CLOSE to looking like the game? Hell no, the intro looks near real life, the game, not nearly as good.

When did i say TTT looks like real-life?..never, i said it looks almost like CG(which it does)...and that is pretty impressive for it\'s time.....

2) A revolutionary design? hahaha so it was meant to make developers make really sucky games in the beginning, so years down the road, if they have any money left, they can produce one or two good games. A revolutionary design would be one that would let you take full advantage of the power without sacrificing any of the resources. AA for PS2 = sacrificing polys

TTT=CG like graphics
RRV=CG like graphics
 
both games are pretty fun to play...

You should go and see what it cost to use pixel shaders and vertex shaders on the xbox.....almost more than HALF of it\' s polygons are gone...don\'t be a hypocrite.

I gave you an example of how revolutionary the PS2 was and is....developers can either lower the quality or the ammount of mip-mapping and with the power they saved they can use for polygons,AI,physics..etc..etc

xbox nor gamecube can do this.

also....please go look back when DX first came out...it sure was easy too use i tell you:rolleyes:

3) How about having a design that let\'s developers not sacrifice anything

like i said...if xbox developers want to use all those fancy effects they better get ready to loose half of their polygons.

and PLEASE show a piece of hardware in which EVERYTHING is FREE?...(like FSAA for example)

come on find me that magical hardware.

whats this thingy on my DC? oh yeah, its a bb!

My point was sony had it BEFORE microsoft did...

and how many dead-cast games use it?....all i know of is quake3...lol

6) X-Box pictures = not on finished hardware. PS2 equals second gen. hmmm if they only look a tad better, that is not too good.

world-wide sales fall 2001:

PS2:10-15million
xbox:0

case closed.

it does not matter what you will have tomorrow but you do have Today....either way all those pics look like crap, and HALO was the disappointment of the show...

i remember when sega fans said:

"if PS2 is this great console why do their games not look better than DC?"

HYPOCRITE.

Unicorn pretty much said everything i could think of already too other people..

WRONG!!!

What you said was PS2 is the first BroadBand console.

Originally posted by Unicron!

Gohan:
Nope he wouldnt defend PS2 because of its userbase.He wouldnt have sounded the way he sounds if it was that the case.He beleives XBOX will kick PS2\'s ass.Why give attention to the userbase PS2 has if you are sure XBOX will kick PS2\'s ass anyways?

I am going to stop arguing this because it is not my fight; but he did not once mention anything about the Xbox kicking the PS2\'s ass. You are assuming too much.

Originally posted by Unicron!
Thats something you give attention to.Not Altered.Has Altered talked about XBOX\'s negatives?Never.He only talks about how flawed PS2 is and how XBOX is better.
If your defending something you are trying to concvince people how good it is not how much better it is.

A good 98% of the people that post here have said that the Xbox is crap and that they are not planning on getting one anymore. Not ONE of those people has EVER touched an Xbox. That kind of seems like everyone is trading it in before they buy it. I don\'t know what Altered\'s motivation was but I would give the Xbox\'s positives because Nplayer gave nothing but Negatives. You can not give a one sided argument and expect someone to not call you on it. That is just the way it is.

Originally posted by Unicron!
I dont call attacking a defending.

Read above

Originally posted by Unicron!
Now that I have prooved my post was logical read my signature too.

"Logic does not exist.We call logic everyday phenomenons and things we can explain.What if things we call paranormal,illogical were more common?Wouldnt those be what we call logic?"

I hope you did not come up with that yourself. That is a pretty lame statement and does not provoke any thought, which I believe(and hope) it was intended to do.

BTW, Please tell me that you are not a real Psychologist. Cuz methinks that you are what the 1337 community calls a "poser"

Until next time

Holla

:thepimp:
-Beantown Slim

I am going to stop arguing this because it is not my fight; but he did not once mention anything about the Xbox kicking the PS2\'s ass. You are assuming too much.

I am not assuming by only the post in here.He many times talked about how XBOX will beat PS2.
And he dismisses and declines info that PS2 might offer something revolutionary by comparing it to XBOX and talking about how wrong the info might be.
Here is an example:"X-Box pictures = not on finished hardware. PS2 equals second gen. hmmm if they only look a tad better, that is not too good" he sais nothing about chances of a hyped XBOX.Not a single chance of  XBOX hyping or invalid news but he often talks about how invalid PS2 news might be especially if those specific news are about competeing XBOX.

I ve never heard  a single  opnion from him refering to atleast one possible flaw on XBOX.

Its like saying XBOX is a perfect machine while PS2 is flawed and that XBOX will correct every PS2 flaw.
XBOX has many flaws and many chances to fail too.Why is he rejecting all the possibilities?
He sure talks about PS2\'s flaws and comapares it to the supposed XBOX perfect console.

My assumption was very dry though.I agree.I should have explained it the way I explained ity above.
I  admit my mistakes.

A good 98% of the people that post here have said that the Xbox is crap and that they are not planning on getting one anymore. Not ONE of those people has EVER touched an Xbox. That kind of seems like everyone is trading it in before they buy it. I don\'t know what Altered\'s motivation was but I would give the Xbox\'s positives because Nplayer gave nothing but Negatives. You can not give a one sided argument and expect someone to not call you on it. That is just the way it is.

Tell that to Altered.He had never mentioned THIS Which shows how XBOX is losing fans and relyability.

I hope you did not come up with that yourself. That is a pretty lame statement and does not provoke any thought, which I believe(and hope) it was intended to do.

Thats a true statement.I didnt come up with it.I just wrote it with my own words.
It has thought.You just have to go deeper into the meaning to understand it.

Please tell me that you are not a real Psychologist

No I am not a real psychologist:D.Damn I knew I should have used " ".
But what I wrote is again true.These are true phenomenons.
I study psychology with some mates.There are also psychology lessons in some classes in schools according to the combination of lessons you choose.We take any info we find about them create opinions on them.
Ofcourse my English are bad and I find difficulties at explaining some things.

I wasnt trying to be a "poser".:thepimp:


MAN!!HOW MUCH I LIKE THESE CONVERSATIONS!!
Especially when they are multi-lateral.

Gohan, it takes a lot for me to complain about a certain issue, and I complain for a reason. I have a right to. I regret paying a cent for Nintendo\'s 64, its games, its lies, its whole show. That\'s my firm opinion and doing. No one can make me believe this or that. I wish to believe whatever I want to, as long as it pleases me at the end, which Nintendo 64 didn\'t, I will argue on just about anything that concirns Nintendo. Period. I will keep it in the context of non-ignornace, which I believe that\'s how the administrators/moderators prefer it. My post was geared towards questioning of N-Players posts. Why are they always geared towards how grand Nintendo is, how far superior to any other company. Sure its his opinion, but I can still debate it. I really like to know.


Aside from that, I found this very interesting to be said.

How DARE you insult Konami!!!!!!

Konami is GOD!!!!!!!!!

What the hell have you been smoking? Konami king at making killer crap. Almost all of their offerings to the PSX/N64/DC sports genre was complete trash. Washed out graphics, horrid gameplay. Hell I thought Konami would have picked up on some of the reviews about their products. I guess not. Again my firm opinion, but I believe the net reviewers/magazine reviews explain it for itself.

jm

jm is just mad that Sega can\'t make a decent selling console and Nintendo can :P

What the hell is that susposed to mean??


The only thing that sold Nintendo 64\'s was Nintendo\'s promises for the 64DD (which again failed to see light and when it did, was outdated), Mario, Zelda and lets not forget POKEMON. Everything else just bited. Everything! Its racers, RPG\'s, FPS\'s everything! Oh yeah, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, only a handful amount of games that managed to get past through barely tolerable.


Likewise Sega, king of sport games and racing developed and sold MANY GREAT GAMES. The only thing that put Sega to its doom was its close timing to PS2, its anticipated killed it, not the PS2.

Tell me somethings that Dreamcast lacked in in terms of technology, in its games. Lets bring this to a whole new level now.

Nintendo basically just sat back, watched and copied. That\'s it! And market Pokemon. I bet Pikachu earned a nice VP office in NOA headquarters after selling MILLIONS of copies of its game to kiddies. That\'s what drives Nintendo\'s sales thru the roof. Had Nintendo not market Pokemon and Rareware didn\'t keep on developing games after Banjo-Kazooi, Nintendo would probally be in the SAME SITUATION SEGA IS IN. Only this time would Nintendo have more doom reaons than Sega did.

Plus Sega isn\'t dead. Its abandoning the hardware market, ITS STILL developing software for DC!

jm

Well jm, if all of those genres you mentioned sucked, then why do the sales charts disagree with you?  

Unless of course your opinion is automatically fact, then that would make your argument weak, right?   I don\'t think Super Smash Bros., Wave Race, 1080 SnowBoarding, Paper Mario, the rest of Nintendo\'s 1st party games, and their 2nd parties had that many games that sold horribly.

It\'s your opinion if you think they sucked, but like I said before, the majority of the people obviously didn\'t think that they sucked.  Otherwise, they wouldn\'t have bought it.

I still don\'t see how you say Nintendo copied with the N64.  I know you can\'t be talking about the rumble feature (which was copied by Sega, heck Sega couldn\'t even give a built-in-rumble like the outdated PSOne), or the controller.  What the heck did Nintendo copy off of with the N64??????

Also, Sega kind of dug their own grave with their past.  I mean, sure DC was/is a great console (in fact I have one), but you can\'t expect people to buy it, when the company\'s track record is bad.  I also recalled that it was a lack of advertising that also did it, but I\'m not too sure about that.

I hope you don\'t think that I hate Sega though.  After all, I was defending the DC for quite a while.  Ask anyone here.

The last thing I have to say is why do you have this hatred for Nintendo?  It\'s not like they hate gamers.  They honestly try to make great games that everyone will like.  I\'m sorry that you didn\'t like the games.  
By the way, Nintendo could have survived if N64 bombed.  You\'re forgetting that Nintendo has a virtual monopoly in the handheld division.  Heck, the GBC is almost always above the consoles in hardware sales.

Sorry, out not replying guys, I was mucho sick yesterday and most of the day today, I threw up 8 times! In all the pretty colors nonetheless! green with corn (fish, corn, and green jello), brown liquid (dr pepper), clear (water), and pink (pink lemonade!),etc.

I took some tylenol, and now I am back.

You guys have seemed to be arguig about me, one side versus another (BTW, thanks to some people for arguing for me), I only defend X-Box when othr people bash it. I don\'t throw it onto the ****e pile like many of you, even before it is out, because I know it will have great games, just like the PS2, which I also know will have excellent games.

I actually didn\'t bash the PS2, I just threw out some negatives against all your guys happy-go-lucky  positives. You guys make it sem like PS2 is the greatest system ever, that there is no problem with it. Of course that is false, and I gave you reasons on why you were wrong. I don\'t care if you (N-Player) dont believe my reasons, that is your choice, I am just trying to show you how oyu could mold your opinion into one that makes sense.

Todays CG is represented in TTT. Todays games still do not look anything near todays CG. You can\'t compare a 128 bit game versus a 32bit, first generation CG, that just doesn\'t make sense.

The FFMovie is just that, a movie. It is running on a huge GSCube like thing. One 32bit processor versus 16 (I tihnk) 128bit emotion engine processors. hmmmm.

2. Why make something with such a hard learning curve? what is the point. What if you had a system that would give you all the things you wanted,w ithout having to take a huge hit on the graphics side. I never mentioned X-Box, DC, or any other console in here. You guys act like I love the X-Box or something,  to tell you the truth, I really have no opinion on it. Some of the games announced for it sound truly awesome, like Halo and NFL Fever. Of course I will be buying it, since I own every system that comes out.  What the hell does Konami know about GC or X-Box? So Nintendo won\'t make ANY good games for it? Lionhead Studios\' Black and White is just a great graphical game? Halo is all graphics? Kojima isn\'t that great of a developer. He has made about 5 or 6 good games. Other games he gets credit for, even when he is not the developer (ZOE, he is just a producer)

3. Again, I wasnt implying that the X-Box is the console that doesnt make you sacrifice anything.

4. who cares how many games support it (UT, HL, Daytona, Q3, NFL2K2, NBA2k2, NHL2K2, PSO witha trick, etc) the fact is, it is there and being used. The Turbo Duo wasnt the first CD console because it sold extrememly crapp in America? Maybe you are too young to remember it.

6. So you dont care if PS2 graphics are just a little better (or not at all) than X-Box\'s unfinished g chip?

8. No, I am a Sega Fanatic remember (at least that is what people used to say)? Really, I just defend the console that is getting bashed. Look at some of the older console debating topics and you will see that I have defended the PS2 against fanboys many times. I will never admit that PS2 is better than DC (IMO it wont be), or that XBox is better than PS2 (who knows?), Im not an X-Box fanatic, I am just defending the console that is being attacked for no reason.

Unicron - I have no idea what you just said right there, because you use incorrect words when trying to explain yourself. I dont follow the mot popular console or thing, or product, I am actually very anti people who DO do that. I am a Sega fan, they are the best developer, but they always come out on bottom. Afraid? the only thing I am afraid of, is a console crash, circa 1984.

Solid Snake - Konami really isnt that great of a developer. How many great titles have they made versus Nintendo, Sega, Capcom, Square of old, or EA of old? have you ever played their sports games? They pretty much suck.

Unicron - Ashford is a very intelligent poster. Just becuase he doesn\'t post alot doesnt mean he isn\'t educated. Some people who post alot actually become dumber with every post.

I don\'t talk about the negatives of X-Box in this thread (I have before) because this thread is supposed to be "Why do people hate the PS2? It IS the greatest EVER!" So I tried to explain that PS2 has alot of negatives too. I didn\'t say X-Box is better either, you are inferring too much.

N-Player -  I said that the TTT intro looks like real life. The game doesnt look anything near it. I didnt say that  XBox didn\'t sacrifice power for it\'s bells and whistles, just that PS2 isn\'t perfect because it has does. DC is build around either DragonOS or WinCE. WindowsCE is extremely easy to use, just slow. DragonOS has been used in the arcades since 1998, so by the time the DC came out, people were already very used to it.

X-Box isnt out yet retard, I don\'t care which system sells more anyway, many times, the best system isn\'t the one that sells the most consoles, it is the one with the best games. and about your tomorrow/today thing, werent you the one who said that PS2 will be so good int he future because everyone will be experienced on it and will be able to make great looing and playing games? but I thought tomorrow doent matter? That us yur opinion. I think that many of the pictures looked really great. But that is my opinion.

about your little quote, we used that response to PS2 fanboys who thought that PS2 was the greatest thing since sliced bread. You guys were always toting the power and we just used to laugh and show off TD: LM or Shenmue, et al. It was never meant to be anything serious, as real people never play a system for its graphics, DC just has better games, thats all.

If you can quote me sayingthat stupid little quote, I will give you a million dollars. You assme that because I really liek Sega, I must hate everything else.

Gohan - thanks, I DIDN\'T say that X-Box was going to kill the PS2, or anything LIKE that, just that X-Box has somevery good positives over the PS2.

Unicron - remember, I have NEVER said that X-Box was going to beat PS2, find me a URL where I have said that, and I will never come here again.

X-Box isnt on finished hardware. If PS2 pictures only look a little better in comparison to something that will noly get better (the X-Boxs chip) thatn that isnt too good for the PS2. Of course the X-Box is hyped, not nearly as much as Ps2 and it\'s "Toy Story like graphics", but I believe what MS says about the graphics comes much closer  to fact than the PS2 did when they were hyping it.

Why would I bash X-Box in this thread? Or name the negatives of X-Box in this thread. This thread is not a comparison thread, it is a "I love my PS2, it is the greatest system, nothing will ever beat it" thread. I am jsut telling some of you fanboys that X-Box has is\' positives over PS2. I dont have to give its negatives, because this thread isn\'t about that.

ElAsesino - So!

jm - actually the N64 lived with basically Nintendo only support, becuase their games always sell lots. Mario alone could make a system. There is only 2 pokemon games on N64, and they both came out last year.

El Asesino - yeah, I remember, I used to think you were a Sega fan, so yes, you did defend the DC alot.

Eric Jacob

LOOK guys, its real simple.  People that don\'t have or can\'t get one hate it or love something else.  2 words sum it ALL UP!!!




CONSOLE ENVY!!!!!!