Why do people hate PS2?..

Originally posted by Unicron!
MAN!!HOW MUCH I LIKE THESE CONVERSATIONS!!
Especially when they are multi-lateral.

Yeah, nice and civilised. None of that flaming stuff.

Originally posted by jm
Gohan, it takes a lot for me to complain about a certain issue, and I complain for a reason. I have a right to. I regret paying a cent for Nintendo\'s 64, its games, its lies, its whole show. That\'s my firm opinion and doing. No one can make me believe this or that. I wish to believe whatever I want to, as long as it pleases me at the end, which Nintendo 64 didn\'t, I will argue on just about anything that concirns Nintendo. Period. I will keep it in the context of non-ignornace, which I believe that\'s how the administrators/moderators prefer it. My post was geared towards questioning of N-Players posts. Why are they always geared towards how grand Nintendo is, how far superior to any other company. Sure its his opinion, but I can still debate it. I really like to know.

My bad. You are right. Please excuse my outburst.

Nplayer the games you mentioned arn\'t even close to realtime CG graphics.  The best game that has been shown which is DOOM 3 by ID Software shown at Macworld was CG... Watch the movie and you will see that the games you mentioned can\'t even compete.

Even if you resize the images below, they still will look CG quality.  Where TTT and RRV don\'t even come close.

You should really see the DOOM 3 movie to get my point, that really is CG that can be done in realtime.

Here are some other screenshots besides Doom 3 that prove my point...













   The FRAMES PER SECOND look low on these screenshots but they are not that low on a Geforce 3.  If you look at the movie you will see the FPS isn\'t as low as its shown here.  These were shots in development with debugging code still in there.


Great graphics, almost CG like!

http://www.nvidia.com/pages.nsf/23e5e39594c064ee852564ae004fa010/145d65692c453960882569f8007d02a9/Body/0.20A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

http://www.nvidia.com/pages.nsf/23e5e39594c064ee852564ae004fa010/9498f5c382eae3cb882569f900006162/Body/0.20A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg

  And then there are demos of the Geforce 3 such as Zoltar, in which his face eyes teeth look CG.  

  Watch this movie of the Zoltar Demo for the Geforce 3:

http://www.nvidia.com/Pages.nsf/Lookup/zoltar/$file/zoltar.mpg

  Also check this movie out, very cool stuff...

http://www.nvidia.com/Pages.nsf/Lookup/enchilada/$file/enchilada.mpg

That second to last pic is effing sick. Is that Max Payne? I wonder if that game is going to come out while I am still young enough to enjoy it. You know like under 40.

Living-In-Clip:

The mini-disc isn\'t that big of a problem. With the texture compression ratio 10:1 (I believe), that will save ALOT of space and if more space is needed you can always use another disc. Not a big deal really.

I think it\'s 6:1.  The problem I see with the mini-disc is that there might be some games that can\'t just use another disk.  For example, what about a Gran Tourismo game?  I heard this from somewhere a while ago (sorry, no sources ) that GT3 was filling up the DVD fast.  What if the game has so much data that it can\'t be made on the NGC because of the limited space?  I don\'t see how having 2 Mini-discs would work here.


AlteredBeast:

Sorry, out not replying guys, I was mucho sick yesterday and most of the day today, I threw up 8 times!

That\'s nothing.  I once threw up 17 times in one day. (brings back lots of wonderful memories )  Yeah, that was the best days of my life.

Anyways, it\'s good to hear that you\'re feeling better.

Why make something with such a hard learning curve? what is the point. What if you had a system that would give you all the things you wanted,without having to take a huge hit on the graphics side

It\'s called innovation.  Sony came up with a really good idea that is completely new to everyone.  Streaming is a great idea IMO.  Instead of continuing to get bigger and bigger RAM, Sony has come up with a great idea that could change the industry forever.  Just give it some time.  Once people get used to it, they will prefer it over the old "the more RAM you have, the more you can do" method. (I know, I know, there is a lot of speculation on my part about this ).

actually the N64 lived with basically Nintendo only support, becuase their games always sell lots. Mario alone could make a system. There is only 2 pokemon games on N64, and they both came out last year.

Pokemon Puzzle League
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium
Hey You Pikachu!
Pokemon Stadium 2 (not in America yet I think)
That\'s a little more than 2.

This obviously a saving grace topic. He use to bash ps2 in xbox forum and praise nintendo. Now he is praising ps2 in  forums and bashing xbox.   Man this obvious an attempt bye u to draw sympathy.  From the looks of ps2 I can say that a lot of ppl like it.  And everybody will not like everything. Why do ppl hate pizza? Why do ppl hate foreign cars? Why do ppl hate tv?

First of all Thanks for making your self more clear.

I actually didn\'t bash the PS2, I just threw out some negatives against all your guys happy-go-lucky positives. You guys make it sem like PS2 is the greatest system ever, that there is no problem with it. Of course that is false, and I gave you reasons on why you were wrong. I don\'t care if you (N-Player) dont believe my reasons, that is your choice, I am just trying to show you how oyu could mold your opinion into one that makes sense.

Atleast me I never said PS2 is perfect.Although I speak a lot about teh PS2\'s positives.

Todays CG is represented in TTT. Todays games still do not look anything near todays CG. You can\'t compare a 128 bit game versus a 32bit, first generation CG, that just doesn\'t make sense.


The FFMovie is just that, a movie. It is running on a huge GSCube like thing. One 32bit processor versus 16 (I tihnk) 128bit emotion engine processors. hmmmm.

Well yes but TTT has almost CGI quality graphis.Ok not in par with the CGI\'s we see now.
N-Player2 didnt say TTT is almost looks as good as the superb CGI\'s you have mentioned.

My examples of CGI movies were to show that TTT is near CGI quality although not as good as the superb  CGI\'s I and you have mentioned.There are CGI\'s that look better from the others.Should the less good looking CGI\'s be considered non-CGIs?

4. who cares how many games support it (UT, HL, Daytona, Q3, NFL2K2, NBA2k2, NHL2K2, PSO witha trick, etc) the fact is, it is there and being used. The Turbo Duo wasnt the first CD console because it sold extrememly crapp in America? Maybe you are too young to remember it.

If there arent enough develpers to support the console then its more sure to sell less.You mentioned games.Not developers.The games you mentioned are all by one developer only.Sega.

So you dont care if PS2 graphics are just a little better (or not at all) than X-Box\'s unfinished g chip?

So far many PS2 games look better than the results of XBOX\'s unfinished hardare.Thats for sure.

 No, I am a Sega Fanatic remember (at least that is what people used to say)? Really, I just defend the console that is getting bashed. Look at some of the older console debating topics and you will see that I have defended the PS2 against fanboys many times. I will never admit that PS2 is better than DC (IMO it wont be), or that XBox is better than PS2 (who knows?), Im not an X-Box fanatic, I am just defending the console that is being attacked for no reason.

The XBOX wasnt getting THAT bashed in this thread.

I have no idea what you just said right there, because you use incorrect words when trying to explain yourself. I dont follow the mot popular console or thing, or product, I am actually very anti people who DO do that. I am a Sega fan, they are the best developer, but they always come out on bottom. Afraid? the only thing I am afraid of, is a console crash, circa 1984.

My first language isnt english and I find difficulties at expressing myself sometimes in English.Especially when I a m tired.
I never spoke about popularity.
When I say afraid I dont mean scared,the unpleasant feeling of fear.I mean the feeling of worriment.
I must try to be clearer.Thats my weak point:(.

Ashford is a very intelligent poster. Just becuase he doesn\'t post alot doesnt mean he isn\'t educated. Some people who post alot actually become dumber with every post.

I never said he is not intelligent.I beleive he is intelligent.The number of posts show how often he visits the forum.If you mean general education thats something I cant judge by the number of posts.

If you mean knowledge around the issues disgussed in the forum then yes.Thats what I ve been talking about.

For example Issues like the VRAM were disgussed many times in the forum and came to the conclusion that the  PS2\'s VRAM is more powerfull than it was first thought.Thast why I was surprised when I saw it.He was comparing numbers not their true performance.

X-Box isnt out yet retard

I hope you arent refering to me.

Why would I bash X-Box in this thread? Or name the negatives of X-Box in this thread. This thread is not a comparison thread, it is a "I love my PS2, it is the greatest system, nothing will ever beat it" thread. I am jsut telling some of you fanboys that X-Box has is\' positives over PS2. I dont have to give its negatives, because this thread isn\'t about that.

You and some ithers took the meaning of the thread differently from the way I and some others took it.
Personally I didnt see it as a thread  "I love my PS2, it is the greatest system, nothing will ever beat it".

XBOX has its positives over PS2 but you never talked about a single XBOX negative in any other thread either.Or any positive PS2 has over XBOX.

I played PS2,DC and saw lots of info about GC and minimal on XBOX  (mainly because everytime I read about XBOX i sometimes see XBOX propagantha-like info and news.) and  all consoles have their cons and pros.
So I find no reason to start posting a ton of minor negative stuff whenever I get the chance about a console.Especially when I am in a forum about that console or a thread refering to the positives of that console.

Unicron - No, I wasnt referring to you on that retard comment, I was referring to N-Player and his Ps2 =15 million sold, X-Box = 0 consoles sold. I kindly told him that X-Box isnt out yet, how COULD there be any sales.

Also, I think it is because of your less high english skills that you do no understand the nature of N-Players post. This IS a post designed to bash the X-Box, he just drops in some info that seems unpleasant MS for no reason, therefore bashing it, some one neds to correct him, so I did.

I have stated some negatives on X-Box before, I just don\'t need to do it often because topics aren\'t usually designed over it. If there was a topic called "What are some negatives of X-Box" and it wasn\'t a horrible piece of crap topic, I would probably put in some of my own comments, that is, unless someone else did it for me, then there would be no need for me to do that, like in past times.


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Unicron - No, I wasnt referring to you on that retard comment, I was referring to N-Player and his Ps2 =15 million sold, X-Box = 0 consoles sold. I kindly told him that X-Box isnt out yet, how COULD there be any sales.

Also, I think it is because of your less high english skills that you do no understand the nature of N-Players post. This IS a post designed to bash the X-Box, he just drops in some info that seems unpleasant MS for no reason, therefore bashing it, some one neds to correct him, so I did.

I have stated some negatives on X-Box before, I just don\'t need to do it often because topics aren\'t usually designed over it. If there was a topic called "What are some negatives of X-Box" and it wasn\'t a horrible piece of crap topic, I would probably put in some of my own comments, that is, unless someone else did it for me, then there would be no need for me to do that, like in past times.


Eric Jacob

No, I wasnt referring to you on that retard comment,

Well ok then:).


I have  never seen you stating negatives on X-Box before.Propably I should start visiting the forums more often too.

I am glad we finally came to an understanding.

"If there arent enough develpers to support the console then its more sure to sell less.You mentioned games.Not developers.The games you mentioned are all by one developer only.Sega. "

Uhhh......wrong, again. What are you talking about? He\'s mentioning the BB adapter. What console???

Unreal, Half-Life, and Q3 are not Sega games.

Please get some more experience. :P

"I never said he is not intelligent.I beleive he is intelligent.The number of posts show how often he visits the forum.If you mean general education thats something I cant judge by the number of posts. "

For the last time, I visit this forum almost every day. Is that so hard to understand? I just don\'t post. Does that mean I also don\'t read? I just don\'t feel like joining the masses and posting the usual BS:

"MGS WILL RULE!!!"

"GT3 WILL RULE!!!"

"PS2 WILL KICK XBOX\'s AND GC\'s A$$!!!"

"SEGA IS DEAD, HA HA HA HA!!!"

Thanks for the props, Altered.

Okay, so that was a joke about the masses posting the same BS, day in, day out.

No problem Ash.

Actually, your post is pretty much true. That is why you see me posting less and less in the main forum and more and more in the off-topic/console debate forums. The main is just stupid "countdown to blah game 3/2001/ whatever" It just starts to get annoying, like those are the only games people are looking forward too. There used to be alot more interesting things going on in the main forum, that is, until I found out about console debating

Eric Jacob

Beast:

i said FALL2001...last timed i checked march is not fall;)

PS2 will have sold 15+million by then

xbox will start with 0..

simple enough for you?.....

Docwiz:

a couple of FACTS:

1)tvs do not use that resolution
2)LOTS of detail is lost due to that reson
3)they are tech-demos
4)World rally championship DOES look like CG...go look for it at IGN ps2.

Doom3 demo is just not impressive..pitch black dark, one model on screen only...bland...it just don\'t give me that "wow" factor...

so dont play it on a TV. Oh wait the PS2 can\'t be played on a PC monitor, my mistake.

Everything starts with zero, obviously, you are so dumb if you actually believe X-Box is automatically dead, just because PS2 launched first.

World Championship racer does not look like CG. Why? Because today\'s CG looks much better than that.

Eric Jacob

do you not understand what "look\'s LIKE" means?....

world rally championship totally destroys anything we have seen on the DC and....Sony has the license for 5 years(you will ONLY see offical logos players and cars on the sony system)......

it\'s amazing and looks like high quality CG....not a opinion but that is FACT.

They cannot win....never..

with the head start sony has the fact that nintendo will launch right next to them...they CANNOT WIN..

why don\'t you tell me how they will catch-up to a 15million world-wide userbase over-night:rolleyes: and make people totally ignore mario and pokemon...come on tell me.

The most popular system has been brought down before, NES to Genesis, to Sony (who the hell are they in the games industry!),etc.

Sony was new and they won. Why? THey made the least amount of mistakes last generation. Sony has already made alot of mistakes this generation. It actually looks, in my mind, that MS and Nintendo have the best chance for America.

I will say it again, WC is not even close to CG. Go look at today\'s CG, then at WC, and you will realize that CG blows it out of the water. If you are comparing WC to old CG, out of this generation, then you would be correct, albeit half-retarded.

Eric Jacob