Does the [Enter Console Here] have what it takes to compete this fall?

Originally posted by IronFist
Like others have said, Sony has just as much, if not more money than Microsoft.

Sony has hardly as much Money as Microsoft. Hardly... They are far behind Microsoft in the amount of money they have.

Originally posted by Jumpman
Anyways, even if that is true, I don\'t see how playing the wait and see game is a con. What if online gaming for PS2 and Xbox bombs? Then Nintendo would be doing the smart thing and backing out before they make the same mistake.

Good point.  It could be a good thing even if online gaming is successful.  A lot of people just want to play  some fun party games with their friends.

Really? I was unaware of this. I thought PS2\'s first online game was going to be released this spring. What games for it are going to be online?

Twisted Metal Black Online and Tony Hawk 3 Online are the 2 games I\'m looking forward to this fall.  There are a few others too, but none that really impress me.

[Bobs_Hardware]

once again, mainly just replying to the first page...the rest was pretty mcuh bull****

Originally posted by Soul_Reaver
I have a few responses that are actually very good ones  you take it how you want to:  

1.)  why do you think the 3 day Game Cube earlier release date is such a big deal??  you say that consumers will have ALREADY bought the console of their choice in a three day time inteval???  a 100 million consumer market is going to by all there consoles with in those THREE days???  90 million sold???  unlikely


This is a four year race...you talk like its going to be over in three days.  When in fact....most of the consoles bought THIS year will be bought during christmas, and And all the consoles will be out then.

mebbe in america...i was under the impression the XBox wasnt going to be released for quite some time everywhere else  

Soully says:

2.)You say:  xbox is very poweful and has a lot of developer support....but will it be enough?  why wouldnt it be?  It was enough for the psx right?

its also competing against the PS2, with stronger developer support, more games, more franchises etc. etc.

Soully says:

3.)I think you should include the xbox\'s extensive GOOD launch library as a key element.  It has a clear advantage over the GC when it come to variety and abundance launch titles.  They are some good GC games....but not a large quantity will out...and of the ones being released....(see the launch titles list that was JUST released)  are they enough games to hold gamers attention??  I dont think pikmin can do it.

your saying the GC wont sell out?  I think GC will easily sell out, hardcore fans alone will make sure of that, by the time hardcore fans stop buying it, the better games will be well on their way.  But i do have doubts about whther or not the XBox will sell out

Soully says:

4.)Slight correction as well...Online is said to be ready in EARLY spring 2002 (NOT SUMMER) with the release of Unreal championchip.  And you list this as a con for xbox....but no console will have online content at that time.  So it should be a con for all consoles if its a con at all.

bah, agreed  

Originally posted by XBOX
Con-Does not have any big name franchises that it is known for like the PS2 and NGC have because the Xbox is bran new.

How is that a con? That is standard for any new system. Just because it is new does not mean it will not have good games. I mean don\'t you want brand new awesome games in a new console?

umm...PS2 and NGC are brand new consoles....they have franchises...funny that

XBox says:

And second. How can you say that seeing how tecmo put a best selling fighter exclusively on xbox DOA3. And seeing how it games like MgsX, Panzier Dragon, Silent HillX, Dino Crisis3,JSRF, and a load of other great games like Halo, Project EGo. Yes they are new games, but they are getting lots of attention from the media, and being called the next Killer apps.

they will be good games, but as of yet, do not have the attention that are needed...GT3 has attention...those games are not up to that standard yet

XBox says:

Third you list no 56k being bad for XBOX when sony is doing the same thing. Everyone knows 56k sucks for playing games and is not even worth supporting.

i thought Sony did have 56k support...and 56k is slightly more widely used worldwide than Broadband

Xbox says:
5th XbOX needs more japanese support. From who enix and square? Everyother major game maker is making games for it.  And Enix sucks and square is making FFXI for xbox so anything could happen from their. I mean we never thought we would see any FF on Xbox.

still needs more support.  As it stands developers are still unsure and are standing back to see how it performs.  And are still supporting PS2 as its foremost console.  So far anyway

Originally posted by IronFist
Soul_Reaver:

I still think that the 3 days thing will hurt the Xbox.  Remember, it is just my oppinion.  If there were two consoles, both having games that you wanted, and one came out a little sooner, which would you choose.  I know the hardcore Xbox supporters would wait the extra 3 days, but the people who are not quite sure will probably pick up the first one released.

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3 days wont make any difference...GC will sell out because of hardcore support...XBox might sell out also...casual gamers do not wait out in line all night waiting for a console

Originally posted by XBOX


You do not know how the gaming audience feels about new hardware. If that was the case playstation would have never made it. I had never seen an add for psx. The only time I seen it was in a game store.

PSx entering the industry was a totally different situation that i have explained to you and others before (and other people have explained it also

XBox says:
Ok can you see the future? How can you say that about xbox games. You don\'t know how good there are going to be. I mean PS2 launch games sucked, but that did not stop ppl from picking it over a dreamcast that had a library of great games. I mean unless you have actually played finished XBOX games how can you say the games at launch won\'t be good?

PS2 had some rather good, and some rather original launch games.  Most though were flawed, but still a great play (SSX, good, TS, good, DoA, good, TTT, good, Summoner good etc. etc.)

Online Gaming won\'t bomb, as long as the broadband connecters don\'t have 56kers in on the games. (I still have 56k but I must get rid of it, more importantly is getting rid of AOL)

Just imagine.... Rogue Leader 3...... Multiplayer at home and then.... Hook up to 8 people online with a broadband connection No lag, The Battle of Endor, where the second Death Star was destroyed....... Yummm.

Also amagine..... The next Super Smash Brothers Melee.... Play it with up to 8 people at home with the NGC multitap for 8 players (yes it is in the works). Then go online to fight in the best fighter of all time IMO.

I have played numerous games online, everyone was great.


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Its not that I love to win... Its that I hate losing.

Originally posted by JediMaster
Online Gaming won\'t bomb, as long as the broadband connecters don\'t have 56kers in on the games. (I still have 56k but I must get rid of it, more importantly is getting rid of AOL)  

The peeps speaking for FFXI said that it won\'t matter whether one had T3 or 28.8, it will all run at the same speed.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by JediMaster


Sony has hardly as much Money as Microsoft. Hardly... They are far behind Microsoft in the amount of money they have.

Actually, Sony is worth more due to the fact they sell alot more products . MS is a software company, (\'cept for the Xbox) and while they make alot of money, Sony sells everything from cd players, to tvs, to game systems and so on. Sony has more money.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip


Actually, Sony is worth more due to the fact they sell alot more products . MS is a software company, (\'cept for the Xbox) and while they make alot of money, Sony sells everything from cd players, to tvs, to game systems and so on. Sony has more money.

I think the money thing is very debatable since nobody really knows. Seeing how Microsoft dominates 80% or more of the world computers. And sony does not hold as much of it\'s market as Ms holds it\'s market. I wouldn\'t think sony has nearly as much money as MS. Although they make a lot of products. They also have to compete with a lot of companys that also make good products. So it\'s hard to say on SONY. But ps2 supporters will say sony does and Microsoft supporters will say they don\'t. Nobody on this forum knows. And truly can\'t say. But umm I doubt sony has as much money as Microsoft does. Microsoft dominates too much of the market it is in. And sony does not do the sam in it\'s market.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by XBOX



I think the money thing is very debatable since nobody really knows. Seeing how Microsoft dominates 80% or more of the world computers. And sony does not hold as much of it\'s market as Ms holds it\'s market. I wouldn\'t think sony has nearly as much money as MS. Although they make a lot of products. They also have to compete with a lot of companys that also make good products. So it\'s hard to say on SONY. But ps2 supporters will say sony does and Microsoft supporters will say they don\'t. Nobody on this forum knows. And truly can\'t say. But umm I doubt sony has as much money as Microsoft does. Microsoft dominates too much of the market it is in. And sony does not do the sam in it\'s market.

I\'ll agree with the part where you said Sony fans will say Sony has more and MS fans will say MS has more. I don\'t personally care, as I think Sonys\' marketing has always been crap, but that is just my opinion. Then again, they don\'t even advirtise alot, so..
From what I read, MS is spending alot of money on marketing, which is good. I would like to see MS take Sega\'s approach to marketing (the edgier ads..Like "Sega does what Nintendon\'t" ,etc ).

You may be right, MS may have more money. You was right, when you said no one on this forum truly knows. I was guessing / assuming Sony would have more due to the fact they sell alot more products global. But MS does have 80% of the OS market / Ultimate TV / and tons of other products now\'a\'days. The company has changed quite a bit.

:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:

:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":

This could happen to the Box, we never know.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:

:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":

This could happen to the Box, we never know.

I truly doubt that. The XBOX Is a closed system not running third party software or dealing with hardware conflicts. Not to mention the OS is a stripped down 2K if I remember correctly, which is an extremely stable OS.

Illegal Operations, blue screens of deaths won\'t be part of the \'featured\' list for the Xbox.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip

Illegal Operations, blue screens of deaths won\'t be part of the \'featured\' list for the Xbox.

Too bad. what would a MS-OS be without them jk.

Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:

:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":

This could happen to the Box, we never know.

I doubt they would have problems with the OS, I mean the programmers have a fixed list of devices to hit on the XBox, just like the PS2 programmers. You might encounter freezes, you know plain game bugs, every console has em.

Originally posted by JediMaster
:Walks to a friends house and plays Halo on the BoX:

:After 10 minutes, a window pops up saying "This program has been performed by and illegal violation...":

This could happen to the Box, we never know.

Uh, have you not seen everyones complaints about bad disks, freezes, and broken PS2\'s???  

Also, Microsofts newest versions of OS\'s are workingmuch more flawlessly.

I hereby declare your argument null and void.

I didn\'t mean to accaully impose that that would happen. What I meat to do was say something bad about MS\'s OS.

Yeah this topic is kind of old, but I just want to voice my higly respected and loved opinion on this matter.

This fall, I predict either Sony or Nintendo will do the best. Usually Nintendo has 1 or 2 games every fall that they hype up to death and it seells like crazy.

Examples: Mario64 in fall 96, Goldeneye and Diddy Kong Racing in 97, Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time, Donkey Kong 64 in 99, Majora\'s Mask, No Mercy, and Pokemon Gold and Silver in 2000.

But this fall I\'m not completetly sure they will out-sell PS2(they will hardware wise obviously) because it has so many sequals who all have the potential of selling many copies. Sure they have Wave Race, RL, and Smash Bros, but PS2 has MGS2, Wipeout, and many others. Therefor, I can\'t say who will come out on top this X-Mas, but it will definitely be extremely close.

I\'m discluding MS\'s Xbox from taking the fall crown because they simply have no title that I can see will sell like crazy with the possible exception of Munch.

But in 2002 I think GameCube will out-sell everyone. I\'ll just let the games explain why: the next Mario game, the next Zelda game, Kameo, Perfect Dark 2, METROID, Too Human, and the next WrestleMania game. All of those games will be hyped up to death, trust me. I don\'t don\'t see how PS2\'s software can compete with all those killer sellers.

Quite foolish of you to sell MS\'s marketing short Jumpman... Munch, Halo, Blood Wake and DoA3 and any Sega game could sell great with good marketing.