We are animals just like every one else on this planet!

Originally posted by Samwise
Of course we\'re animals (IMO). We\'re just more intelligent than the usual mammal. And less furry.

But besides that we\'re just animals like every other species on this Earth.

It may be of course for you and me, but belive me when I say that more than 50% of the people at my works thinks this is wrong.

I say we are animals in the physical sense, but not in the mental and spiritual sense.

I don\'t believe that animals of the world have concious thoguht, only what seems best at the time (protection, comfort, sleep)

Eric Jacob

Why should it be wrong? What sets us apart from other animals? Just a larger brain.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
I don\'t believe that animals of the world have concious thoguht, only what seems best at the time (protection, comfort, sleep)

Have you seen elephants, monkeys and delphins? How they work together and even look at them self in the mirror just for fun.

I´m going to bed now, i continiue tomorrow.

i am split on this issue,

i have questioned my religion numerous times, and even though i have been thinking about just what bossieman has said, and yet i still believe in a god.

i believe somthing had to have started this all, somthing had to have been there way back before the universe

theni also question life; is there an afterlife?  or is it all just a way of keeping the masses in check?


i have a challenge for you, bossieman, if you believe there is not an afterlife, what would it be like ? nothingness? no memory of anything ever happening in your life.. its so hard to explain how it would be like, it would just be nothing.

now thats depressing aint it?



now religion has a future, a "life after death".
and that keeps peoples minds happy, whether it is true or not, you always know that there is a life after death and then you dont have to waste time thinking about it..

i believe in a god, but i also believe that religion is not the way that all things are. science proves some things, and is very interesting.  i believe that many religions have truth to them, but i think that if you live a nice and good life, you will go to heaven no matter what religion you are.

i hope there is an afterlife, but people like bossieman dont think there is, so that must be really boring, believing  that your whole life will be gone to waste, bio-degraded in a  wooden box.with no hope for the future..

i perfer to believe in a god, what can it hurt? nothing, then, when you die, if ther is a god, you will know  and if you believed in a god, you will be thankful. if there isnt a god, then there would be no afterlife, and everything would end for you. all the thoughts you ever had, your concious would be gone.

i have a couple quick things that you have to explain to me bossieman,
why is it that some saints and nuns have not bio-degraded at all, and still look like they are sleeping after 100+ years of sitting in a coffin..  its true, it is happening, now tell me why it is happening,

and also, what caused the "big Bang"? (if that was how the universe actually started)

ill be waiting.....for your awnser...

The talk about concious and a spirit is a very tough subject.  I was in an AI seminar and we spent over 5 hours arguing whether ants had souls.  We cannot observe concous thought.  We think we can through oberseving actions, but there is always someone who can point out why that action was not part of a concious thought.

I believe that we are animals, related to all other animals, created by the same maker.  And that we have been given the gift of a soul.  And before all of you start, I cannot prove that other animals don\'t have souls.  This is what I believe base on what I have read.

And Altered, i\'m going to post-pone our argument over James for a little bit, til we\'ve sorted some other stuff out.  I have a problem with interpreations and arguments over a single verse.  I belive that not one verse should be discussed without first including the surrounding passages.  Ex. the movie "End of Days" was primarily based on a single vers.  When taken out of context, the movie makes sense, but if the writers would have included the very next vers, then they wouldn\'t have had a movie at all.  But anyway we\'ll have to continue it later as I\'m afraid it is not exactly on topic.

of course they do, but that is having fun, every mammal I know knows how to have fun, but do they question why they are here? Their brains are not complex to even know what the question would mean. Their own purpose in life is to pass on their seed. survive, nothing else.

Eric Jacob

Bossieman, du har mitt stöd..
Jag håller med dig till 110%..

Short translation: I agree with Bossieman..

And I dont want to argue, cuz I cant make you change your opinion.. Nor can you

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
of course they do, but that is having fun, every mammal I know knows how to have fun, but do they question why they are here? Their brains are not complex to even know what the question would mean. Their own purpose in life is to pass on their seed. survive, nothing else.

Eric Jacob

I\'d have to go into describing the "Chinese room" to you.  But to save time for now, the seminar decided that ants, and most animals are incapable of concious thought.  It\'s hard for people to realize, what with dogs and other pets, but they don\'t have the concious comprehention of their actions.  But only a complex form of input/output.  (In other words: I somewhat agree with Altered here.)

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
krimson, saying something like that (direct attacks and intense vulgarity) is liable to get you banned. Don\'t attack and belittle people for what they belittle. State your opinion while listening to others.

Eric Jacob

Banned? I\'m not worried...

Don\'t belittle you for what you belittle? WTF are you talking about? I assume you mean \'what you belive\'. \'Believing\' is the same as not thinking, relying totally on faith, faith that a old book, written, and rewritten, by humans is true. Sorry, I always ridicule people for not using their brain, and you will not be any different... I did state my opinion; religious people are nuts.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Samwise - you misunderstood. They don\'t ban evolution ANYWHERE. they just lt teachers teach a religious aspect along with evolution so kids don\'t grow up to be scientific zombies, therefore making the world a better place

Eric Jacob

Yea, down south that\'s what happens. In the North, we know your education sucks and your all ignorant. New York has some of the highest education standards in the country, and don\'t teach creationism in public school. Coincidence?...

Their are some religious people living not to far away from my house.. (Members of Jehovas witnesses or whatever)

They once wanted ME to join.. Gave me books with propaganda..
"You MUST join and go the the paradise when armageddon comes.. or you\'ll go to hell!"

They also said, "You musnt use soap, hair shampoo or play violent games..!" (stuff like that)

They are now walking regular routes in the area where I live.
So whenever I see them I hit the dirt
Pretendning Im not home.. (aha)

My mom screams, "Oh no, its the jehovas!" and everyone flees upstairs or out into the garage..

Well most religious people arent to bad.. Just alittle narrow minded. (IMO)

The preist in our church (I never go there, but when I was in the 1-6th grade they made us go there..)
got very angry when a friend of mine said "God didnt create us, evolution did.!" something like that..

So the religious people I know are pretty narrow minded.. Never wantning to talk about other alternetives..
Afraid that they might be wrong?
Yes, perhaps.

Did you ever walk into a room and then wonder why you just did?

i bet thats how dogs live their lives...



humans have the ability to ask, why? and go about finding out. what sets us apart from other speicies is our intelligence,


you cant prove that a god exists or dosent exist., you dont know what started the univese, or how the speck or matter came about.

you know what? mebbe it is all like MIB (men in Black), the universe is in a marble that ailiens play with, and then theyput them away in a bag of other universes.

there are so many things that could be the cause for the universe.

a new study just found out that the universe will keep expanding, and never go back , given gravity is infinite, but there are other effects going on, that push the universe away from itself.

Originally posted by Falcon4
Did you ever walk into a room and then wonder why you just did?

i bet thats how dogs live their lives...

 

Everyones done that before.

And don\'t pretend to know how complex dogs thoughts are. If life can be like MIB, it could be like Cats & Dogs too...

Well I guess by Krimson\'s definition I\'m an idiot. I refuse to believe that there is not some form of higher power. I have seen people healed of diseases and such just by having people lay their hands on them and pray. I have seen many other things that science just can\'t explain. Science can\'t explain 99% of the things in the universe. Everything is a theory because they can\'t prove it.

BTW, Altered check your PMs.

Originally posted by Gohan
Well I guess by Krimson\'s definition I\'m an idiot. I refuse to believe that there is not some form of higher power. I have seen people healed of diseases and such just by having people lay their hands on them and pray. I have seen many other things that science just can\'t explain. Science can\'t explain 99% of the things in the universe. Everything is a theory because they can\'t prove it.

BTW, Altered check your PMs.

yeah i agree, there are nuns and priensts that have died along time ago, and yet their bodies are perfectly preserved. as you said, science cannot awnser everything, it only gives theroys and partial explanations for why things are happening..