We are animals just like every one else on this planet!

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Couldn\'t God have created chloryphyll and atoms though, Bossieman? remember to open your mind, maybe not believe, but listen to what others tell you.

We, christians, all know that light refraction causes blus sky and that the grass is green because of clhoryphyll, we are not stupid because we are religious, we just believe that god made these things. Every time you ask that same question with a different point to it, you will get the same response, that should\'ve been shown to you by now in the 7 page of this thread.
Eric Jacob

No God did not create chloryphyll and atoms.
In the early universe there was only one type of atoms, Hydrogen [H], When stars was created the [H] is turned into [He], this happens in the sun and all other stars.
when all the [H] has turned into [He] then stars starts to smash [He] toghether and create [Be] a.s.o
The atoms that we are created from are origin from exploading stars.
Today we can create new atoms, like Plutonium atoms, we just blow up a nuclear bomb. Did God create the Plutonium atom or did we?

You silly people and your fantasies of a \'god\'... you morons are quite funny.

Jesus, the gay Jew, his mom, the lying slut, and the all powerful God.... and don\'t forget the red fellow who\'s the villain. It would make a good book, but little else... I can\'t believe anyones stupid enough to believe this crap...

*Waits for dissing from the delusional nuts*

Do you really believe that we as humans have already found out all the elements of the universe? That Hydrogen is actually numero uno. that is sad and closeminded on your part. We as humans have only been as far as the moon, and that is nothing.

open your mind.


Eric Jacob

krimson, saying something like that (direct attacks and intense vulgarity) is liable to get you banned. Don\'t attack and belittle people for what they belittle. State your opinion while listening to others.

Eric Jacob

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Do you really believe that we as humans have already found out all the elements of the universe? That Hydrogen is actually numero uno. that is sad and closeminded on your part. We as humans have only been as far as the moon, and that is nothing.

open your mind.


Eric Jacob

We have found all the elements, yes, Hydrogen is actually numero uno, because it is just a proton and a electron, numero 2 is Helium a.s.o

If you know any physics you would not have said what you just did. H is numero one, nuff said.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Trog - did you read that verse I stated from the Bible? it said faith without works is dead. I feel sorry for you if still think that just believing is your ticket into heaven. Good works won\'t get you into heaven. Worshiping God and following His commandments will.

I might have mispoke.  Worshipping and following commandments was a way for the Jews to get into Heaven because Jesus hadn\'t come yet (Old Testament).  Once Jesus died for our sins, all we need to do is believe.  We will still be judged in front of God at our death, with all of our sins laid out before him, but Jesus will say that I\'ve belived that he has died for my sins and clense me.  

It would be a horrible thing to belive and not act Christanly, but it\'s not a necesity.  James was trying to make this point in the vers you quoted.

It\'s important to undestand that in the Christian belief you can go through all the motions of service, but it\'s worth nothing if you don\'t truely believe.

Altered, I\'m not dissing your beliefs or anything... but to be honest I must say I\'m quite ... shocked (no, it isn\'t the best word but I can\'t think of a better one right now) to hear how ... fanatic you sound. You really must be very religious. In the ears of a non-believer it\'s pretty radical stuff I must say. I don\'t mean any harm or disrepect, it\'s just so very different from what I\'m used to.

Originally posted by Gohan
It seems like Bossie is reading but not really reading all of the posts. Doesn\'t saying that there was nothing was before the Big Bang go against science? Science says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So something had to have caused the "big bang".

As I said earlier, you have to know quantumphysics and general relativitytheory to understand what I said.
You are talking about Newton physics that does not work here. Newton said that a apple falls to the ground because the earth attracts it, that is wrong! Einstein told the world what gravity is and why the apple is falling to the ground.

"Science says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"

Thats Newton, not Einstein.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast

Also hundreds of years ago, Leonardo da Vinci made many drawings of human nature, one of the concepts he came up wit was, gasp!, the helicopter. Many people thought flying was a possibility, nobody knew how, though.

Eric -

Your point is valid, and also makes sense.
Some people don\'t believe in God creating everything, and are waiting for someone to prove them right.  

It\'s cool you are religious and all, that is fine. You got your opinion, I got mine, that is fine also.

Great topic

Originally posted by Toxical


Eric -

Your point is valid, and also makes sense. Therefore some of us believe God did not greate everything, the we think the Big Bang really happend, we just don\'t know how it happend yet

When you find that out I\'m willing to bet you\'d be quite religious yourself.  But we should not argue about this \'cause it won\'t end for a very long time.

Originally posted by Troglodyte

When you find that out I\'m willing to bet you\'d be quite religious yourself.  But we should not argue about this \'cause it won\'t end for a very long time.

My thought exactly, we should not argue, this is another case of people arguing over religion
what is next WW3? another war spawned because of religious debate.

If I find God’s hand in creation I can live with it, and I can live with a God even now, I have no problems with God.

Originally posted by Troglodyte

When you find that out I\'m willing to bet you\'d be quite religious yourself.  But we should not argue about this \'cause it won\'t end for a very long time.

Hmm, I would just say that it would be the final victory, but religious people always modify the bible when science prove things.

so many replies, so little time.

Trogolodyte -

The Book of James was written AFTER Christ came to Earth. It also says \'faith without works is dead" notice how it said "dead" and not "ok". You need to act on your beliefs. Go to church, etc.

Samwise -

It is quite alright. You see what I have to go through to prove a point though. When I entered this argument, I just wanted to add some new opinions to the bunch. But some of the people starting to spout of stuff without reading my replies or anything. Then when they did, they didn\'t understand or wouldnt open their mind up. I am glad you have never heard anything this blunt being said to you, hopefully others feel the same and have their eyes opened a little further. You gotta be a little radical nowadays, especially if you are doing God\'s work.

Toxical -

God didn\'t have to create every little thing on the Earth. He just set the ball rolling with a few things here and there. He created man with the intuition and knowledge and ability to make them able to find and discover and create new things.

Bossieman - what if in the future we find elements so small that they are made of quarks and elctrons, or dark matter, or the things that make up quarks. Again, open your eyes to new discovery my friend. You are wrong, my church has never modified the bible. Refer to one specific sect when you make accusations. Stop refering to a part as a whole. Otherwise, by your posts I could think all "scientists" were close-minded.


Eric Jacob

I have some people at my work that are very religious. The thing is when we talk about God they are almost angry on me because I don´t belive in God, I do not think there is place like hell or heaven, life is just electrical impulses between atoms.
I have found out that many people wants to belive, it makes there lifes easier. They dont need to think about problems because there is always a God to hide behind.
I have heard that In the USA Darwins evolution theory are forbidden in some states, is this true?

no, that is not true. In fact, since we are a free nation. We let individual teachers in some states, like Kansas, decide what they want to teach. See, in America, we open our eyes to new ideas. We are taught evolutiary theory, but we can also be taught other things, we have the right to choose what we believe. We are not taught one thing.


man, how I love America!


Eric Jacob