We are animals just like every one else on this planet!

sry enlighten me on why "god" lets people suffer and die

Originally posted by Average Joe
sry enlighten me on why "god" lets people suffer and die

I told you to go back and read my posts.  I\'m not going to unnecessarily repeat myself.  Please be considerate of everyone\'s thoughts here and read the posts.

im sensing some nastiness

Originally posted by Average Joe
im sensing some nastiness

If you are going to be closed minded enough to not care about others opinons, then I suggest you stop here and now.  I have read every word in this post and have given everyone the respect they deserve.  I have to go to class now so I won\'t be posting for another hour or so.

I suggest you respect the opinions of everyone else at this forum and read what we have posted.  If we had to repeat everything we\'ve already said, this thread would be unnecesarrily long and we would not have the time or energy to move forward with our debating.

Pardon my slight rudeness, buit if you\'re not going to respect our opinions then I don\'t think that you need to be posting.  Your opinion has been read and noted.  All I wish is that you would take heed of my rebuttal to see where I am coming from.

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I\'ve learned a lot of information on both sides of this subject.  (Although sometimes it seems there are more than two sides to this coin!)

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You have an opportunity here to learn, I suggest you take it.

I have a really hard time to try to understand the religious people here. I find it sometimes hopeless to try to make my point. I talked to a religious friend today. I asked him about the bible and how the bible should be read. When i asked him about dinosaurios in the bible he said, no way there is no dinos in the bible.
It seems like people read the bible the way they want. my friend said that the bible should be read word by word.

Science is not like this, we are more openminded. When someone comes with a new theory some people says it wrong and some follow the theory. Later the theory becomes a fact and the scientists all over the world changes there minds and follow the new thery. religious people don´t seem to do this, they stay still, they never change their minds.

No one have answered my question about What makes your religion and God right amongst the thousands of religions and Gods?

How old is the Earth?

Did anyone here read "Calculating God" by Robert J. Sawyer?  Or any other noteworthy books that cover God, and Humans in general?  

How about this theory:

God is the creator, but not in a biblical sense; God is a scientist.


Could this please both the believers and non-believers?

Originally posted by Bossieman
I have a really hard time to try to understand the religious people here. I find it sometimes hopeless to try to make my point. I talked to a religious friend today. I asked him about the bible and how the bible should be read. When i asked him about dinosaurios in the bible he said, no way there is no dinos in the bible.
It seems like people read the bible the way they want. my friend said that the bible should be read word by word.

Science is not like this, we are more openminded. When someone comes with a new theory some people says it wrong and some follow the theory. Later the theory becomes a fact and the scientists all over the world changes there minds and follow the new thery. religious people don´t seem to do this, they stay still, they never change their minds.

No one have answered my question about What makes your religion and God right amongst the thousands of religions and Gods?

How old is the Earth?

You must have skipped over a couple of my posts!  

I\'m more of an open-minded religious person myself.  And in answer to your question about which god is the right god:

Before I stated that most religions worship the same entity, but see that entity in a different form(s).  There is no humanly-comprehendable "true" form of this entity.  I think Altered Beast argued against my point, but nevertheless, it\'s an answer to your question.

About the age of the Earth, I already stated that I can\'t give you a number.  There is a "science circle" and a "religious circle" on this particular debate.  Neither circle has a concrete number to give, but a couple "ball-park" figures.  There is a pooint in which these two circles overlap, which gives us the most agreed upon numbers.  It depends upon a literal/non-literal translation of the Bible.  Was the world really created in 7 days?  Or did a day last 1000 years?  I guess I won\'t find out until I get the chance to ask God in person.

Many religious people are closed-minded about everything.  But then again, so are a lot of scientists!  No one easily gives up or "bends" their beliefs.  It\'s a "Fact of Live."  (Now I have that song stuck in my head!)

Bossieman, you ask how I can believe that the God I worship is the true God, or more of the same, the religion I participate is the true religion?

I have gone to several of the temples that my church has across the world and the feeling I get when I go inside of them is an encompassing feeling of warmth and love. WHen I go inside of another church\'s site of worship, I feel nothing, just like going into a regular house. And other times, it just frightens me when I go inside of a church and see a huge crucified Jesus on the cross with blood running down and all the cuts and stuff. IMO, a depiction does not and should not be that detailed. It is meant to frighten people into believing in Jesus and not teach them that He died on the cross for US.

Nobody knows how old the world is. People whould be fools to say that the world has only been around 7000 years. Adam and Eve OUT OF the Garden of Eden has been that long. But how long were they in the Garden of Eden? Did God create other animals while Adam and Eve were in the Garden, then kill them off to prepare for them leaving? Has Earth been used before?

Eric Jacob

[Evi]

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
They never say how old the Earth is in the Bible.

But they estimate from the time Adam and Eve were cast out to now is around 7000 years.

Eric Jacob

Oh give me a break, man, I can\'t believe some people still believe this. If you look at the original language, and get the full meaning out of it...it talks about the earth being created during the time the earth was still molten lava. It goes back describing how everything happened. I can post a big thing on it if you want...

[Evi]

Go here...if you want:

http://www.swordandspirit.com/texts/TXTbeginning.html

Talks about the Bible beginning and scientific beginning...side by side...

Originally posted by EviscerationX
Go here...if you want:

http://www.swordandspirit.com/texts/TXTbeginning.html

Talks about the Bible beginning and scientific beginning...side by side...

Yet again someone has put into words what I\'ve been trying to say all along.  Thanks.

[Evi]

Originally posted by Troglodyte


Yet again someone has put into words what I\'ve been trying to say all along.  Thanks.

Just thought it was fairly interesting...

AverageJoe, you wanted to know why people "suffer and die"--
If you want to know why humans are what we are, then read what God says to Adam in Genesis 3
"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return".  This was their punishment for disobeying God\'s one rule.

This earth was not meant to be our final destination as God says "My spirit will not contend with man forever for he is mortal..." --Genesis 6:3
Why would anyone want to leave earth if it was perfect.  "It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this to heart."--Ecclesiastes 7:2

There is no question that evil people prosper.  Look at Timothy McVeigh who murdered hundreds and yet instead of receiving his death as punishment he is allowed to write a book of his butchery and make a profit of it.  King Solomon said "In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:  a righteous man perishing in his righteousness, and a wicked man living long in his wickedness."--Ecclesiastes 7:15

If you trust God and follow him you don\'t have to worry about what everyone else does.  "To the man who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God...."--Ecclesiastes 2:26

hmmm, interesting read.

But how come all the links you guys put up read from the NIV or the Living Bible? How come none of them come from the KJV, the oldest English standard works.

If that were meant for scientists to read, surely a scientist could understand what "firmament", "yield", and "midst" mean?

I\'m gonna go ahead and say that it was a nice read, but it just puts forth many, upon many arguments already in here, from both sides.


Sorry.

Eric Jacob

Well die and see where you end up at. Then you will truely know if there is a god or not. I believe there is a god and there is a heaven and hell.  The devil has tricked a lot of ppl and divided us into demonination. I mean putting christians against christians. Church vs Church. And plus I have had to many real situations that prove to me there is a god. All science has done is cause more bad then good. If it was not for science they would not be able to invent all these diseases like the AIDS virus which we all know was created in lab.

I mean they have been creating these disease and spreading them to ppl for so long. I found it very funny how MI:2 was plotted around a man that created the worst disease in the history of man. And a big corp tried to infect the world with it and then make money off the cure. Sound a lot like what is going on in the real world.

This world is getting worse and worse. I mean 40years ago ppl where not dying from cancer like they are know. No of days anything you do can give you cancer. There is so much money to be made in sickness. At some point in time this world is going to have to pay. I believe in god and see no reason that point to not  believing.