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« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2001, 04:00:45 PM »
You could answer a lot of your questions by reading the first few chapters of Genesis.
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« Reply #91 on: July 09, 2001, 04:05:57 PM »
hmmm i don\'t seem to recall Dinosaurs or Neaderthals in the book of Genesis do you?
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« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2001, 04:09:49 PM »
No I don\'t. Mayeb God just put those remains there to confuse the people. Who are we to say.
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« Reply #93 on: July 09, 2001, 04:25:14 PM »
ok so you are saying god has every right to **** with our minds - he preaches one thing and just happens to not tell us the other thing - or maybe thats because the person at time that brought religion to the world didn\'t knwo that they existed
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« Reply #94 on: July 09, 2001, 04:33:30 PM »
Some of you assume there is a God, those are your opinions, but what IF there ain\'t a God?

What would this mean to Religion/The Bible/Priests etc... in general?

I think Religion has become an institution a corporate entity with huge monetary holdings, and behind the scene power.  

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« Reply #95 on: July 09, 2001, 04:51:48 PM »
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
-Hebrews 11:6
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« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2001, 04:52:34 PM »
[On a side Note]
I think I pretty much covered the theory of evolution in GREAT detail in a previous thread -  http://194.47.16.181/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10614&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

(pages 2 & 3 I belive. If anyone has any further questions feel free to pose them if the answers aren\'t already covered in the thread)

I\'m a staunch believer in the scientific method, but I still believe in God. I think it\'s very much possible to do both.

I was before going to comment about the few who said that Muslims are the \'only\' people who kill over religion, but Weltall pretty much said what I was going to say. I also agree with what he said about how the stories in the bible shouldn\'t be taken literally.

When God sent the rains down to take out everything on earth, did the fish drown?
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« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2001, 04:54:37 PM »
3 pages of junk! I am not going to sort over all that stuff, instead, give an opinion that might not have been stated here.

God created man to have free agency, the ability to choose from right and wrong. Evolution has many flaws, just as many religions today have flaws. The point is, religion and beliefs in a higher power create the need for people to follow the laws of the land, the golden rule, and be nice to people that make them mad. If we were all athiests you better believe that all of the wars still would\'ve been fought, just not over the same thing. I also believe that there would be more wars.

wars have been fought over soccer games and name calling. People will fight to protect their ideas and beliefs and you better believe that scientists would fight, too. As they are no better than us "commonfolk".

I do love, Bossieman, how you belittle us christians and other religious people and believe you are of a higher mind. The fact that you don\'t believe is mystifying because there are millions of things out there that Science can\'t and never will explain. But I will not belittle you or people like you, because that is your beliefs. I do however feel kind of sorry for athiests or christians who work their faith based around THEIR own needs at the time or people who act on faith alone without works.

How can people still believe in God, you ask, in this day and age? Look all around us. Hate crimes, robberies, murder, rape, etc. are committed every day and people want to believe that one day, after they die, they will go to a better place, where their intelligence can go. Where there is no crime, only perfection. Maybe living in Sweden (the greatest country in the world in your opinion) has clouded your mind about how the REST of the world lives.

I do believe, however, that their is only ONE true religion. If you look around, you see the Jews and Muslims fighting over "Holy Land" in Israel/Pakistan. I believe their minds are in completely the wrong place and EXTREMELY hypocritical. They teach of forgiveness of enemies, yet never do and willingly kill innocent people just to show their beliefs. THat is sad to me, that it has come to this. Look around your community and see which kinds of people commit crimes less often, live longer, live happier, and are more educated. I would be willing to bet anything that 90% of the time, they are Religious people, while Athiests (or scientists in your opinion) who have nothing to strive for (perfection) get more often into drugs, and crime.

I am a highly religious person, I must be dumber than you Bossieman.


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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2001, 04:57:08 PM »
Lavan that obviously wasnt the point with the flooding. He wasn\'t trying to kill the fish. He was trying to start over again because the people were to sinful. Thus that would also kill all the land animals so he needed the arc. Of course the fish didnt drown that would be beside the point. The fish werent the sinners anyway.
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« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2001, 05:03:03 PM »
Lavan how can you possible believe in God and evolution. To believe in evolution is to give up all your faith. Just read the first chapter of the Bible. It doesnt say God created man to eventually evolve into his image. It says He created man in His image
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« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2001, 05:03:29 PM »
I must, however, add some things as I read some of the replies before mine.

I believe in adaption, but not evolution.

all you "scientists" out there, please answer some of my questions, as best you can.

Where did that speck of \'dust\' come from that started the big bang (note: I am reading A Brief History of Time by S. Hawking)? There always has to be a start to something. What was the universe before it was the universe.

to Christians: How was God created? That has been one of my toughest questions in my quest for knowledge. I hope after I die, I learn the answer.

When you do something wrong, do you feel guilty?
Is there any moral set that you live by?

you gotta remember, these scientists from long ago were probably very religious, and they knew so little in terms of science than we do now.

Weltall - WWII was started because a man wanted power, more to the point, the world. Not religion. Jew and Catholic hating was just the scapegoat of Himmler and Hitler to get support from his own country to keep doing the things he did. There are also religions out there that are extremely corrupt. I do agree that the Catholic religion has had such a horrible past, I wonder how they can still be around. There are many problems with the religion, but I still am friends with many catholics.

but there are many religions out there that Have NEVER started wars, taken the offensive about land or are corrupt in their respect. The Bible, translated and taken in to meaning correctly IS the word of God. If you believe the teachings of Christ, you should also follow what the Bible says (again correct). Also, the Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc. are records of a people, started as journal-like things. The difference is, these records are written by people inspired by God. The reason you hate the Bible is not the words itself, it is because years of greedy Popes and rabbis have changed the actual meanings to twist into what they need. Money is something these supposed people are driven by and the abuse the actual meanings the bible has gotten over the years is ASTOUNDING. The Catholic church alone has changed so much to the bible: refusal of translation, taking parts out, adding books in, etc.


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« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2001, 05:08:50 PM »
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I would be willing to bet anything that 90% of the time, they are Religious people, while Athiests (or scientists in your opinion) who have nothing to strive for (perfection) get more often into drugs, and crime.



There is some truth in it, but I don`t agree when someone says that I`m a bad person because I don`t believe.
I always try to be nice and helpful - but not cause it`s written in the bible.

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« Reply #102 on: July 09, 2001, 05:09:33 PM »
I can believe in God and Evolution, I just don\'t have to believe it in the way it\'s written in the Bible. You can just read my thread about Evolution - in the scientific community there is NO discussion about whether or not evolution is real - it is fact. But just because I believe in Evolution doesn\'t mean I don\'t think there isn\'t a higher power. I cannot imagine living without faith, and I am sure the vast majority of scientists still believe in God.

If you dislike my beliefs then that\'s where the conflict over religions and beliefs starts - which is what Bossieman was getting at in the first place.
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« Reply #103 on: July 09, 2001, 05:09:46 PM »
I will answer the christian part,

1.One of the toughest questions I will agree. I have come to the conclusion that God is an eternal being, always was there always will be.
2.Yes when i do stuff that i know is wrong but stupidly do it anyway i feel very guilty and ashamed.
3.I just try to live as sin free life as i can.
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« Reply #104 on: July 09, 2001, 05:11:40 PM »
Lavan if you dont have a conflict of religion you are bound to have a conflict about something else. His point about religion being the sole reason for all hate and war has no base.
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