Author Topic: If Sony never Existed who would of won the 32/64 era? (stole from Ryu) (Read 3349 times)

Living-In-Clip · « **on:** July 21, 2001, 11:04:13 PM »

I stole this one from Ryu.

If Sony never existed who would of won the 32/64bit era?
I am including in this the 3DO and Jaguar, even though we know they didn\'t really have a chance.

Personally, I think Sega would of.
They would of ended up with titles like RE/Silent Hill / and other great games. Not to mention I think the netplay would of caught on alot more.. Would Square stayed with Nintendo? Or would they of chose Sega because of the CD-FORMAT? I think there would of been a huge chance Square would of still left Nintendo, due to the cd-format. Not to mention 2D gaming would still be very much alive, because the Saturn was a 2D powerhouse.

Nintendo would be in the same exact position they are in now.

Bobs_Hardware · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2001, 11:16:12 PM »

Nintendo

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2001, 11:21:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Nintendo

Why though?
Sheesh, its like pulling teeth tryin\' to get people to explain things, around here..I\'ll tell ya\'..

« **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2001, 11:22:18 PM »

First of all Clip, you\'re crazy. Moving on...

The Saturn would have won simply due to the luxury of time. Nintendo would be in the same predicament as they are in right now. I\'d add more, but I want to hear the side of things from a person who claims Nintendo would won first. Can\'t debate unless you have people representing the other side after all.

Bobs_Hardware · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2001, 11:25:38 PM »

i think the reason Nintendo woul dhave won is the same reasons Sony won...first and fore most, developers were looking for an alternative to the unfriendly Saturn.

there are other reasons, but im busy...and Ryu is a bastard

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2001, 12:20:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
i think the reason Nintendo woul dhave won is the same reasons Sony won...first and fore most, developers were looking for an alternative to the unfriendly Saturn.

there are other reasons, but im busy...and Ryu is a bastard

But if developers went with the N64 they would of had to deal with the many downsides of the cartridge format. Not to mention they couldn\'t of put out titles like Silent Hill, Resident Evil, and other games for the N64 really. Alot of the adult titles that the 32/64 bit generation saw the birth of, just couldn\'t of been on the N64. With the 32/64 bit generation games we clearly aimed to a new age group. The people who had been playin\' them since the NES had grown up and wanted more adult titles. Something Nintendo\'s system wasn\'t exactly home to.

Bobs_Hardware · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2001, 01:28:48 AM »

well, i see it as a repeat of the Gensis/Snes

an even split...i really dont see Nintendo having too much weight, or sega having much more than Nintendo

« **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2001, 02:29:06 AM »

hard to say really, but I\'ll take Nintendo here. One of the main reasons you\'re saying it would be sega is that the games that were eventually given birth to could not have been done on the N64. One point I should make is that these games didn\'t exist before they were created. That is to say, we can say that now, because the final products have been made on the PSX, but if developers didn\'t have that, then perhaps they never would have estimated they could do those projects.

Just one point, but i think overall it would be a tight race. I\'m taking nintendo to win because of their exclusives, and a lot of their 3rd parties ended up with sony, perhaps they\'d have stayed if sony didn\'t exist

« **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2001, 04:39:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I stole this one from Ryu.

If Sony never existed who would of won the 32/64bit era?
I am including in this the 3DO and Jaguar, even though we know they didn\'t really have a chance.

Personally, I think Sega would of.
They would of ended up with titles like RE/Silent Hill / and other great games. Not to mention I think the netplay would of caught on alot more.. Would Square stayed with Nintendo? Or would they of chose Sega because of the CD-FORMAT? I think there would of been a huge chance Square would of still left Nintendo, due to the cd-format. Not to mention 2D gaming would still be very much alive, because the Saturn was a 2D powerhouse.

Nintendo would be in the same exact position they are in now.

I disagree. I think the saturn was crap under a box. Sega was struggling business wise. And games like silent hill and Re would not have come to life because I DON\'T think saturn would have sold as huge as psx and developers would not have made as much porfit and took the chances they took bye spending lots of money on franchises. I say nintendo would have won basicly because they kept there same business strategy and plus sega had too many past failing deals. And many like me saw that saturn for what is was as crap under box. Saturn would have died just like it did. Developers would not have spent huge amounts on games to make them on system for company that was struggling to come up with a decent product.

« **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2001, 04:39:24 AM »

Without SONY Sega would have won, IMO. The N64 would be what it is today anyways.

Developers with a choice over cartridge - CD would have gone to Sega IMO.

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2001, 04:54:03 AM »

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Originally posted by QuDDus

I disagree. I think the saturn was crap under a box. Sega was struggling business wise. And games like silent hill and Re would not have come to life because I DON\'T think saturn would have sold as huge as psx and developers would not have made as much porfit and took the chances they took bye spending lots of money on franchises. I say nintendo would have won basicly because they kept there same business strategy and plus sega had too many past failing deals. And many like me saw that saturn for what is was as crap under box. Saturn would have died just like it did. Developers would not have spent huge amounts on games to make them on system for company that was struggling to come up with a decent product.

Crap under a box? Where did you come up with this? And why would of Resident Evil never came to life? Hell, Capcom ported it over to the Saturn - so it evidently sold enough to warrant porting the game. If Sony wouldn\'t of been around, Sega would of sold even more because they would of had the market to themself for over a year while Nintendo worked on the N64.

That "crap under a box" was way more powerful then the PS by all accounts. Sega\'s main problems was the early launch and price tag ($400). Sony took advantage of those mistakes. But, if Sony never existed- no one could of taken advantage of the mistakes and it wouldn\'t of hurt Sega that much.

The RPG fans would of HAD to go to Sega. Because more and likely, Square would of went to Sega due to the cd-format. Square could not do what they wanted with Final Fantasy 7 because of the cartridge format. Fans of the fighting genre would of went to Sega also. Capcom\'s 2D fighters was best on the Saturn and that would of remained true. Not to mention, Virtua Fighter 2, Last Bronx, Fighters MegaMix and so on. 2D fans would of also went to the Saturn (which they actually did..) . EA would of went with Sega due to the CD format also. Sega would of had ever genre covered really.

I can\'t wait to see what Altered says about your "crap under a box" statement..

« **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2001, 04:55:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Toxical
Without SONY Sega would have won, IMO. The N64 would be what it is today anyways. Developers with a choice over cartridge - CD would have gone to Sega IMO.

Just because saturn was cd does not mean sega would have won. Developers would not have created the games they did on a struggling sega product. Just like sega cd they did not know what to do with saturn. Plus when psx first came sony gave developers free range to create the games they wanted. I just don\'t see developers investing lots of money into a struggling sega product. The sega saturn was a system built strickly for 2d gaming. I don\'t see how ppl call the psx crap when compared to saturn it trounces it.

« **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2001, 04:56:01 AM »

Nintendo... Just because. :alien:

« **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2001, 05:00:44 AM »

Nintendo would of won, duh?

The Saturn was just too much of a ***** to develop for. Young and new developers would of had an extremely hard time developing for the system, most of them would of choose the N64 instead. Plus, it costs 399, 100$ more than the N64 did. That\'s simply a ridiculous amount of money for a game system.

And didn\'t the Saturn have online capabilities? That was a dumb move. People wern\'t ready for it then and I still don\'t think they\'re ready for it now.

At that time, people didn\'t trust Sega because of the 32X and SegaCD. They were still uncertain.

Also, does anyone remember how many games got cancelled for the N64 early on? A LOT of them went to PSX instead.

In America, I think the Saturn would be getting annhilated in 97-98, N64\'s best years IMO. Games like Mario Kart, Star Fox, Goldeneye, and Zelda:OOT, and possibly FF7 would of been too much for Saturn. Star Fox sold around 3 million, Mario Kart and Zelda, sold 9 million, and Goldeneye sold 7 million(I\'m positive about all of these numbers). The American public didn\'t accept the Saturn at it\'s launch, and it probably wouldn\'t of accepted it later on.

But in Japan it was the other way around. If I remember correctly then Saturn was doing great in Japan. But I remember that the N64 has an extremely successful launch, and with PSX gone then they might of had a fairly large piece of the market in Japan. Tho Saturn would of still been doing better.

My final assumption- N64 would of destroyed Saturn in America, but Saturn would of owned Japan. However, N64 would of sold more units world-wide and would of been the clear winner.

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2001, 05:21:13 AM »

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Originally posted by QuDDus

I don\'t see how ppl call the psx crap when compared to saturn it trounces it.

You really need to find yourself some Saturn games. Later Saturn games was alot better lookin\' then the best of Ps games. Hell, Virtua Fighter 2 looks better then Tekken 3.

And what abought Nights! ? I have never seen a PS game that can compare with the beatuy of Nights! .

Yes, the Saturn was hard to develop for. So is the PS2. Whats your point? Everyone keeps goin\', "oh the PS2 is hard to develop for - which means, developers will have to work extra hard and we\'ll keep seeing better games". The same applies to the Saturn and did apply. The games kept looking better and better all the time.

Jumpy brings up the best point. People had problems trusting Sega after the 32x and Sega CD.

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