Originally posted by Troglodyte
I\'m sick and tiered of their "Holier-than thou" attitude,
Do you mean how we know without a shadow of a doubt that this church is true, and that all the other churches in the world have lost a lot of things from the day when Christ started his church on the earth 2000 years ago? I don\'t think that makes us holier than anyone, so I don\'t know what you\'re talking about. Yes, we believe that we have a greater understanding of the "big picture" than all other religions out there, but Mormons can be just as big of sinners as anyone else in the world even with our knowledge.
their selfish belief that they can be God
When you have children, don\'t you want them to have everything that you have? That is how our father is with us. He loves us and wants us to grow up and be as successful as he is.
and the freakin\' belief that if you don\'t get married you get shafted, and that women are screwed because there aren\'t enough men.
I think you missed something here. First of all, both the women
and the men have to be married in order to go to the highest degree in the celestial kingdom. The men don\'t automatically get to go to heaven. And second of all, since when is living with God for eternity being "shafted?" I thought that\'s what you believe is the #1 goal. If you don\'t get married, and you still go to the celestial kingdom, you will become an angel.
I can\'t possibly believe that there is no true Hell, and that Heaven has "levels."
I also believe that there is a true hell. Living out of the presence of our God for eternity, and never being able to progress is Hell. And there is also the "Outer Darkness," a place that only a few people go who have seen Christ or God yet still denied their existence. If that\'s not Hell I don\'t know what is.
Honestly I think that some major mis-interpretation of the Bible has taken place.
Yep, which is why you are having such a hard time believing our beliefs. You have studied and believed the Bible for quite a while (I\'m not sure how long you\'ve been religious, but you are obviously very knowledgeable about religion), so of course it will be hard to accept that those bibles have been translated by man who wanted to create their own church, and in turn, altered some of the things to their liking.
I\'m sure none of this will affect you because of the "Mormon thick skull brainwashing." And wehatever you say probably won\'t change my hardening towards your religion.
You assume way too much. You are assuming that I grew up in the church a "Molly Mormon" following all the commandments and believing what my parents and teachers told me. I don\'t want to get into detail here, but I do want to say that that isn\'t the case. I have found out on my own that this church is completely true after years of being lost (I hate using the word "lost" because it sounds so lame, but I can\'t think of any other way of saying it). It is the only true church on this earth -- something that I have found out through personal revelation.
I\'m sorry, I\'ve tried since the first big religion thread to see some good out of Mormonism, I\'ve talked to Mormons, looked through the Book of Mormon, put up with y\'alls bantering. But my open mind has been hardened by the utter crap I\'ve seen.
You have tried so hard to understand us Mormons, yet you still haven\'t done the one thing that will confirm to you that this church is true. Why waste your time trying to understand us when you are completely ignoring one of the most important things. You won\'t believe any of our religion\'s beliefs until you get a confirmation that the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith are true. And the only way to know that is by reading the Book of Mormon, then asking God if it is true with "a sincere heart, with real intent, [and] having faith in Christ."
It is my belief that if you accept the sacrifices of Christ, or that you follow the ten commandments to the "T," that you will be accepted into the kingdom of God.
So all we have to do is believe that Christ died for our sins, and keep 10 commandments that were made a few thousand years ago, and we will be saved? What if God wanted you to do something else? What if he brought new laws and commandments for us to follow along with the old ones? Would you just ignore that and stick with the old commandments made for people who were living a few thousand years ago, or would you accept the new laws and follow them too? Here is a scripture that goes along with that: (I don\'t know why, but I think these scriptures are pretty humorous)
2 Nephi, 29: 3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
BTW, I don\'t understand, do you believe in a religion or do you just believe in the Bible and that there is no true religion on this earth?
I guess we\'ll have to wait for our bodies to release our souls. I\'ll see you in Heaven, when we can finally prove who is right, and who was misled by the misunderstandings caused by our puny little brains.
You don\'t have to wait for anything. You can find out right now.
