Hello

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Author Topic: Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????  (Read 3298 times)

Offline Bobs_Hardware

  • The ULTIMATE Badass
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 9363
  • Karma: +10/-0
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2002, 10:30:31 PM »
Now we are off topic here.  Watchdog, you may not want it, but you deserve my pity for not being able to be interested in a games storyline on the basic "What happens next" level.  Despite the fact that many videogames do go beyond this (see. Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Shen Mue, Xenogears etc.).  But that isnt enough?  The most that could ever be is a guilty pleasure?  You sir, deserve my pity :)

:)

Offline Chrono
  • Suikoden Maniac
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2575
  • Karma: +10/-0
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2002, 11:23:26 PM »
I think this conversation fully showcases why Watchdog is such a xbox fanboy. It also showcases where the mentality of a xbox fanboy comes from.. very interesting.

No offense to you directly as a person watchdog, but more to your mentality.

Also don\'t ask me tonight why I say that, i\'ll come back tomorow and post a full reply
« Last Edit: August 01, 2002, 11:26:12 PM by Chrono »

Offline mm
  • clyde\'s boss
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 15576
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2002, 02:47:52 AM »
hey, im kinda partial to watch\'s mentality

he\'s like me, just on the other side of the fence

:)
\"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.\" - Clemenza

Offline Unicron!
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 9319
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2002, 04:53:29 AM »
In VGs have much more things for its creators to worry about.Graphics,gameplay,originality,artists,music,(sometimes actors are needed),research, etc.Efforts are shared and divided.Sometimes game developers work overtimes and sometimes they would even sleep in their office.
In books there is only the writer.Full efforts in writing=best written.
In Movies there are the actors,the director,the scirpt writers(or a summarised story of a book),the special effect designers,musicians etc.Usually in movies most of the times there are different specialists devoted in each work.

Each of the three are created differently.Thus having different results.They dont feel the same.Each has a unique effect IMO.


Quote
It\'s no more unfair when people in forums try to say "[insert VG] is the best story that\'s every been written.

Not written.Created or Made.Every "ingredient" that make the game,is what makes the story(in a game).
« Last Edit: August 02, 2002, 05:01:15 AM by Unicron! »

Offline Watchdog
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2002, 07:28:41 AM »
Hey, Chrono.  I don\'t know why that makes me a fanboy, but whatever you say.

I implore you take a look at my posts.  I bash way more xbox games than I do PS2.  You however, call me a fanboy only when it is conveinent for you to do so.

If I have a bias it\'s against Nintendo.  Of that I\'m probably guilty, but it\'s not because it\'s a Nintendo product, it\'s because of their art direction and target audience.  At times I do get my back up and am pessimistic about N games without cause, but no one here is a perfect poster.

At the end of the day I don\'t care what you think.  You\'re a troll and a jackass.  I wouldn\'t post here if this board was full of half wits like you.  It\'s the dozen or so other people who make this board work, people like you are an unfortunate side effect of maturity.
Language services three functions. The first is to
communicate ideas. The second is to conceal ideas. The
third is to conceal the absence of ideas.

Offline ajoh432
  • Legendary Dark Knight
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3214
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://ps2.ign.com
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2002, 09:32:58 AM »
Boy I can\'t wait till ZOE2.:D
.... take the skin and peel and back...

now doesn\'t it make you feel better?

Offline Heretic
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 641
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2002, 12:36:06 PM »
Quote
It\'s no more unfair when people in forums try to say "[insert VG] is the best story that\'s every been written."


Typical Watchdog, setting up straw dogs to pee all over, knowing damn well the closest anyone ever comes to saying the quote above is " [insert VG] is one of my favorite games because it has such a great story" but Professor Watchdog has to throw a fit as if it were being compared directly to great literature. What\'s that Dawg? You\'re a TA in a English class? Sorry, my mistake. Is that at a high school or what? There\'s no way to tell, going by your behavior on this forum. Talk about pretentious frauds...

Yeah, it\'s easy to belittle people, especially strangers who are at a safe distance. Is it just too hard to grasp going through life believing you\'re better than everybody else is the root cause for all that\'s wrong in the world?

Offline mm
  • clyde\'s boss
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 15576
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2002, 01:03:29 PM »
damn thats deep man, real deep
\"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.\" - Clemenza

Offline Watchdog
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2002, 03:08:14 PM »
Actually, it\'s a University, and it is Professor Watchdog.

I don\'t think I\'m better than everyone else.  I think I have an opinion, and it is irrefutable.  VGs do no match up narratologically to books or movies.  If you think otherwise, you are wrong.  They don\'t even come close.

You\'re the one getting hostile.  If you can\'t match the argument, attack the person, eh?  Whatever.  You came in here, without an argument, just invective.  It\'s telling of your character.  I was following the rules, debating, you come around and sling mud.  Who\'s in high school?  Yeah, I do the same to Chrono and now you, but it\'s because you guys are clowns, and I could care less about your little opinions.

If you can\'t sit at the table with the big people, maybe you shouldn\'t even try.
Language services three functions. The first is to
communicate ideas. The second is to conceal ideas. The
third is to conceal the absence of ideas.

Offline Chrono
  • Suikoden Maniac
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2575
  • Karma: +10/-0
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2002, 06:02:15 PM »
Quote
Who\'s in high school?


Uhh, i\'m certainly not, i\'ve been in college for over a year now

Quote
I could care less about your little opinions.

Then why do you hang around with such peons professor?
We must be intellectually stunting you with our stupidity!

Quote
If you can\'t sit at the table with the big people, maybe you shouldn\'t even try.

Here is a great example of your "i\'m better then you"
if your so much better, why do you hang around here?

Offline Unicron!
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 9319
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2002, 06:25:54 PM »
Although I didnt show I got bothered by it I didt like that part either.
Quote
And MG cannot be compared with any book of merit. Thanks for the laugh.


Personally I never answer that way to someone when I dont agree with him.I didnt even mean what you uderstood in my post.But I am a very forgiving person.I ve got no hard feelings against u yet.

I still dont beleive a movie can be compared with a great book though.
Quote
VGs do no match up narratologically to books or movies.

Neither a movie.Because in movies u use ur vision and hearing.And in games there is vision,hearing and participation.So movies are inferior at it and games are inferior to movies but they gain elsewhere.In books all these must be included in the narration.Thats why books are more narrative than games or movies.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2002, 06:44:24 PM by Unicron! »

Offline Watchdog
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2002, 12:03:13 AM »
Like I said Chrono, I\'m not hear to talk to people like you.  I\'ve been an internet junkie for years now and have never had over 500 posts on any forum until this one.  There are intelligent people here, that have valuable things to say, and interesting things to contribute.

When was the last time you said anything interesting?  Can anyone here thing of something? ...  no I thought not.


Yeah, I can see where you\'re coming from Unicron (love transformers btw--unfortunate about armada though :().  But it\'s interesting to look at a movie from a director\'s viewpoint.  Look at the camera work, the lighting, etc.  There is a very deep craft there, that adds another layer to good movies.

Take Hitchcock\'s "Birds" for example.  There is a scene where the heroine is sitting on a bench chatting and out of focus, in the background, on the monkey bars, crows start gathering behind her one by one .  

The first time I watched it I was watching the intended focal point of the scene (the female) and didn\'t even notice the birds until the heroine did.  That\'s great vision and skill, and it accomplishes something that a book cannot.  Because once something is on the page, it\'s pretty difficult to hide from the audience.

VG\'s don\'t have something like this that distinguishes them from the other medias, unless you disregard story and go to gameplay.  That\'s why the heart of a game lies in its gameplay, not its story.  Because VGs can\'t compete on the same level--the skill isn\'t there yet.
Language services three functions. The first is to
communicate ideas. The second is to conceal ideas. The
third is to conceal the absence of ideas.

Offline Unicron!
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 9319
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2002, 04:11:25 AM »
Hey we seem to kinda agree there
(each of the three loses somewhere and gains elsewhere).
In games they can add similar things too.For example in Silent Hill,there were moments when you could see or hear strange things that dont necessarily add anything to the way the game plays.Like the sound of a crying child in the toilets.The corridor and the rooms that changed and the door that disappeared.That strange sound you could here in a room and notice its source was a shadowy figure of a baby etc.
The example you mentioned in Alfred Hitchcock\'s"Birds" shows the talent of a director that can\'t be implemnted in a game or have the same impact.But the difference in a game is that you wonder around.In a movie the main characters take a straight line in the movie\'s story development.You have no control.You feel uncapable to change anything.The protagonists are helpless in a bad situation.You begin to put your self in their place and thats when the movie succeeds.That builds a great tention and suspence in the movie a game cant.
While in a game you take control of the main character and its up to u to progress.In a game like Silent Hill you dont sit and watch.You are not controling the character the way you want.You feel limited and helpless in the twisted enviroment and gains its own feel of tention and agony.
Games and movies just work differently.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2002, 04:13:41 AM by Unicron! »

Offline Watchdog
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2002, 08:08:26 AM »
Agreed.  That\'s why the story of every game I\'ve ever played is completely secondary and at times unnecesary to my enjoyment of it.
Language services three functions. The first is to
communicate ideas. The second is to conceal ideas. The
third is to conceal the absence of ideas.

Offline Bozco
  • Tenchu Fanboy
  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7043
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • http://
Why does everybody hate Hideo Kojima????
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2002, 10:09:26 AM »
If the story makes you feel more involved in the game then its good but I don\'t think any story completely ruins a game.

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk