Powell\'s key points on Iraq

I think Bush thinks this is going to be just the same as when they toppled the Taliban.

Trouble is, it won\'t be.

Originally posted by Coredweller
My argument is NOT that Saddam is innocent.

He probably needs to be eliminated, but if we do it on our own authority without proving our case, we are creating a HUGE problem for ourselves internationally.

I\'m saying I want our leaders to prove their case to me before I endorse their war.  Is that easy enough to understand?

Who do we have to give this 100 percent undeniable without a shadow of a doubt proof too?  France? Germany? This in the best interest of the US to have a regime change in Iraq.  I would even go as far to say for the sake of National Security.  You are in the minority Core, most of the US sees this as the only option left and Powell\'s presentation made it even stronger.

France is only dissenting because of THEIR oil interest in Iraq - funny how they can send troops to the Ivory Coast, yet they are opposed to ousting Saddam.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I think Bush thinks this is going to be just the same as when they toppled the Taliban.

Trouble is, it won\'t be.

If Saddam doesn\'t use any NBC weapons it will be.  They don\'t want to die for that man.

Originally posted by GigaShadow


If Saddam doesn\'t use any NBC weapons it will be.  They don\'t want to die for that man.

See, thats just the thing, if he has them, then he is gonna pull no stops and use them. But Bush says if he uses them then so will the US. But why are the US allowed to have them but Iraq isn\'t?

World War III here we come...

Thats another reason I am opposed to war. I just know he is going to do something if he has said weapons once our guys are on the ground.

Good point... I will be back tomorrow morning and discuss this further.  Our European friends in this forum will comment tomorrow as well.  It will be interesting to see how they react.  Anyway good night all.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
You are in the minority Core, most of the US sees this as the only option left and Powell\'s presentation made it even stronger.

I don\'t think I\'m in the minority either among the population of the US, or the entire world.  I think you\'re in the minority.

Proving this to me, and other developed nations like France and Germany is not even the highest priority.  The ones we have to prove it to are all the rational minded, but generally anti-american Muslems in the middle east, Africa, and SE Asia.  They already believe that Saddam is innocent and we are wrong, but many of them are smart enough to accept hard evidence if we show it to them.  If we don\'t even bother to show it to them, we will be spawning a whole new generation of terrorists bent on destroying the US.  

I don\'t understand what\'s so hard to follow about this.  We have to prove our point and take the moral high ground now, or this could literally doom us.  You\'re worried about Iraq using NBC weapons at some time in the future...  If he does, he will be instantly villified, and we\'ll have every justification to completely sterilize the nation formerly known as Iraq.  Not what I want to happen, but we can still avoid it by proving our case and waging a JUST war.

I\'m worried that if we don\'t prove our case, we\'ll have millions of suicidal terrorists swarming toward our continent, and no leader like Saddam to strike back at when our cities start vaporizing.

I\'m actually interested in the resolution proposed by France.  I wonder what the details of that are.  It sounds like something that implies force, but they are opposed to that.  I\'m really curious what it is they propose exactly.

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Originally posted by Coredweller
I don\'t think I\'m in the minority either among the population of the US, or the entire world.  I think you\'re in the minority.
 

Actually you are wrong.   The polls that came out two days ago say that 58% of the US is for attacking Iraq.  This is not only up from rescent polls, but it is higher than back in 91 before the original attack.

Who conducted the poll, and who was polled?

Polls never tell the real story.  Never.

Someone made a good point about France and their opposition.

We all know France sold a reactor to the Iraqis. Maybe they\'re a little nervous about what might be uncovered when the dust clears.

Again,  Powell could have had a picture of Saddam mixing chemical weapons in a lab and some of you guys would say he\'s making soup or as Giga said baby formula.

Strap yourselves in because we are going in to clean house. Then when all this crap is uncovered and out in the open you can all sit back and thank the US.

Ace

Originally posted by Ace
Again,  Powell could have had a picture of Saddam mixing chemical weapons in a lab and some of you guys would say he\'s making soup or as Giga said baby formula.

Don\'t try to tell me what I would think.  You have no idea.  I\'m a rational person, and I already stated numerous times that I would support this war if our leadership provided solid evidence.  You haven\'t refuted my assertion that it\'s in our own best interest to provide the proof.

b/c they cant since it hasnt happend yet. Id like to call what was presented..alleged proof.

Kinda like if someone witnessed me arguing with someone and threatening to kill them. That person ends up dead later that day am I am caught with one of my guns on me of the same caliber as the guy was shot.

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all I know is:


My SUV needs a parking lot the size of California, with its own oil fields....


oh, and Colin Powell rules.