Destruction of world order.What the USA government is causing to the world

You misunderstood what I ment.In previous post I mentioned the soldiers have the impression they are sent to liberate.They think they are sent for a peace operation of somekind.That is enough to make me see the attack differently than what the German\'s did in WW2.
No way I am seeing like the Nazis.Dont put words in my mouth I never said:rpissed:

What I ment is that as long as the Iraqi people see you as an enemy to their country(which you are) in their eyes(NOT MINE) you have no difference than any other enemy.And a thread to a nation is a more serious enemy than a dictator governing that same nation.

Liberating Iraq is third on the list of why we are doing what we are doing.

1.) Disarm Saddam of WMD.

2.) Stop him before he becomes the threat that everybody knows he is.

3.) Iraqi people liberated because of one and two.

My opinion, which I believe is right.

Ace

In addition the 2nd point Ace said... to avoid any confusion - TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER.

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1)I wonder who gave them the technology and the financial power to produce such weapons
2)Everybody?
3)Enough liberation they got already.

Hmmm...liberate Iraqi from a dictator...The U.S. has 102 more countries to go

This war the U.S. is causing is doing more destruction and death then Saddam could ever bring in his lifetime

videoholic,

It\'s been a crappy day so far but that\'s got me laughing.

Ace

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Feel free to use it every time Clowd and Unicron post.  

Originally posted by Clowd
Hmmm...liberate Iraqi from a dictator...The U.S. has 102 more countries to go

This war the U.S. is causing is doing more destruction and death then Saddam could ever bring in his lifetime

Decent point in your first half. I realy. really doubt the US will start over throwing the remaining dictators and *bad* ppl in the world.

As for what you just said about the US causing more death than saddam ever...I think you should rethink that....seriously do some research b4 spewing false claims.

That 60 bilion dollar war fund can be used better by elevating american education which is considered poor compare to other countries.


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I\'m just going to chime in one one point, and remove myself forever again from this forum.  Remember, all IMO.

Though I didn\'t agree with the war starting when it did (I thought they should have more international support), I do agree that now that it is started there is NO CHOICE but to finish it and remove saddam from power.

At some point, the civilized countries of the world are going to HAVE to unite and decide that fundemental human rights, like life, shelter, food, equality, have to be given to ALL people; and, in countries like Iraq (North Korea, Sierra Leone, etc), there are no real options but to remove the problem (dictator, government, drug lords) by force.  Sanctions, words, and hollow threats just don\'t work on people with mindsets like Saddam.  I\'m not pretending that the US\'s interests are purely altruistic, nobody is that foolish, but what they\'re doing is better for us all in the long run, because they\'re doing the right thing... even if it\'s for the wrong reasons.

PS - Unicron! You sound foolish when you talk about people killed or mutilated from the war in iraq.  Before the war, Saddam had his roving death squads keeping the people in line, with just as much, or more brutality than they can expect from a bomb.  Welcome to the fact that sometimes war offers a better FUTURE for a group of peoples than the rest of us sitting back and doing nothing.  Remember the tapes from afghanistan that were smuggled out?  Saddam wants the jews dead, the Kurds, and any groups outside of his control in the Middle East.

Originally posted by luckee




As for what you just said about the US causing more death than saddam ever...I think you should rethink that....seriously do some research b4 spewing false claims.

What I meant is that Saddam Hussein under the watch of the U.N. would equal less casualties and destruction then this war to free Iraq.

How many people have died already?  Only 8 days in?  I\'ve heard that Saddam kills his own people,  but does he kill 30+ a time as what happened in the Market?  Or if you believe he fired on his own people,  what of the nearly 4000+ bombs that have rained on Baghdad?  How many civilians have been killed?  Reporters who visited Afghanistan first hand have seen hundreds of civilian casualties.  And this seems so much worst then Afghanistan.  8 days in and Iraq is reporting thousands of injuries.  30  U.S. troops dead,  20+ British troops dead.  250+ Iraqis dead.  How many years would it take Saddam,  under the close watch of the U.N.,  to killl 300 people?  By the time this war is over,  the city of Baghdad may be just rubble.  With Urban Warfare most likely I see only the worst coming in the future of Baghdad.  Sometimes you have to wonder is it really worth it

but does he kill 30+ a time as what happened in the Market?

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bah, i deleted what i REALLY wanted to say to you clowd

i smell a troll

Saddam killed 60,000 in ONE CITY after the gulf war b/c there was an uprising that the US said they would back if locals did.

Who knows how many throughout Iraq..hundreds of thousands is my guess.

60,000 in one city?  60,000 rebels?  I\'m starting to question whether Saddams army has even enough firepower to kill hundreds of thousands of people.  Do you have a  link where I can read more about this?