Author Topic: The Gay Discussion (Spudz, Core and Shox, make yourself at home) (Read 8467 times)

« **Reply #165 on:** April 29, 2003, 05:53:34 AM »

So you don\'t believe it\'s something genetic?

I wonder how it is that I was "influenced" to have a different sexual preference than my brother? We grew up in the same town and house.

We are both adopted and from different biological families and I can\'t help but think it\'s something I was born with.

EDIT: Personal preferences can change at the drop of a hat. Have you always liked the same color? What about the same favorite car? Music? Morals, ethics?

Even our manuerisms and our social personalities can change depending on one\'s situation.

I know I\'ve changed my mind on all the above several times in my life. Unfortunately, my sexual preference has never so much as budged. Every time I discuss this, it seems less like a preference but rather a trait instilled from day one.

§ôµÏG®ïñD · « **Reply #166 on:** April 29, 2003, 07:21:15 AM »

Gays don\'t bother me. As long as they don\'t look at my ass

Jumpman · « **Reply #167 on:** April 29, 2003, 08:04:35 AM »

Gays do bother me, as long as they do look at my ass.

Erm...

Nevermind.

« **Reply #168 on:** April 29, 2003, 09:43:23 AM »

I\'m not gay. I like girls. Specially my girl, shes foxy.

« **Reply #169 on:** April 29, 2003, 11:20:58 AM »

everything in life is a choice.. you say how can it be that your brother is one way and you are different even though you both grew up the same ways, Well let me tell you I have two boys who are COMPLETELY different and they grew up the same way.. everything effects different people different way my father was an alcholic most people who grow up with alcholic parents tend to be the same in my case I wont hardly drink cause I hated him so much for it it was my choice and I choose not to let my enviorment to be an excusse If you gay more power to you and Im very glad you can be open about it and hope that you dont get persecuded but my friend it was your choice.

Jumpman · « **Reply #170 on:** April 29, 2003, 12:15:32 PM »

Forgive for my earlier retarded posts which contributed absolutely nothing to this topic. There was a debate on whether homosexuality was with you when you were born or whether the environment you grewed up in sculpted it. The fact is, no one knows. Until it is scientifically proven to be either one, I suggest everyone to just shut their little mouths.

Rikki, do you think chose to be gay, got influenced by your environments, or were born with it?

« **Reply #171 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:04:56 PM »

he allready said he didnt think he choose or that it was his enviroment hello your as bad as spudz read man read it all there

Jumpman · « **Reply #172 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:12:22 PM »

Actually, you ****ing retard, he never really specified which is why I\'m asking directly. Hello, stfu.

« **Reply #173 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:24:12 PM »

to quote for you whom is obviously the retard " I believe it\'s something one is born with...whether is be a birth "defect" or whatever"

Jumpman · « **Reply #174 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:26:22 PM »

My bad.

« **Reply #175 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:34:27 PM »

Cyrus, you\'re wrong. There are some things in life we can not choose. Some people are born with natural talents or gifts, some with birth defects. What\'s your take on those?

The desire to find a companion is natural instinct, as in something you are born with. Do you think animals make a concious decision to be gay? As bob pointed out earlier, it is evident in other species.

Do you honestly think I make a concious effort to be gay? You think it\'s something that I had chosen at an early age before I even knew what it was?

Your ideas were handed to you by someone you trust (ie: parents, teachers, peers) so you choose to believe that is the truth. Their misconceptions are now yours. That or you simply make an excuse to deal with fear of the unknown like so many people do.

How could you have possibly convinced yourself that you have the answer to what has been questioned for hundreds of years?
And yes it is an unknown. There is no definitive answer and I\'d like to be the first to know when there is.

To answer your question Jumpman. I believe that it\'s something one is born with.

I don\'t think about it though. I\'ve spent the last decade trying to "fix" it to no avail. Within the last decade I\'ve gone through changes such as the type of music I listen to, the friends I hang around, my hobbies, my job, motives, ethics, morals, etc. All those are preferences and choices.

« **Reply #176 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:57:41 PM »

I agree 100% that there are things in life that we canot choose example would be eye color, skin color and genetic anomiliys. Now as for the part of choice of being gay you only feal like it is something that you were born with beacuse the people around you IE: the "rednecks" have conviced you that it is wrong to choose the be gay and im stating it that way because of the way that your refrenced your homosexuality you called it a birth "defect" something that you were born with that is wrong. Now for my background Im a nurse a male nurse and most of my fellow male nurses are Gay I have had long discussions with them on the subject but not once has any of them ever thought they were defective because of there homosexuality. You were raised to bevlie it was wrong, the same way as many other god fearing people but to reason with your self that it is ok to be homosexual you say or think that you were born with it. Its not wrong to choose to be gay you like men... I like women (my wife thinks i like them to much :-)) as soon as you come to the realization that it makes you happy to be with men and its ok to be with them no matter what anyone thinks you will belive that you were born with it. You will altough be much happier once you realize that it is a choice you made and it makes you happy.

« **Reply #177 on:** April 29, 2003, 02:07:07 PM »

Okay, I\'m not getting what angle you are coming from.

1) You are accusing me of choosing the sexual preference of the same sex.

This is what I\'m arguing. It was not a choice for me to be attracted to the same sex.

2)You are saying that it will ulitmately be my choice to either accept it or live in self denial.

This I agree with

Defective is the wrong word. I believe more than anything it has something to do with a hormonal imbalance as that idea has been passed around the most.

I don\'t believe myself to be abnormal or handicapped in any way. I\'m just as capable of anything anyone else can do. I currently hold a 3.88 GPA at the college I attend, I have a part time job, I pay my bills, I hang out with my friends.

« **Reply #178 on:** April 29, 2003, 02:16:55 PM »

Rikku, Iam not your enemy and I could be totally wrong and have been lots of times. I just feal our sexuality is our choice I think I choose to like women. I think you have choosen to like men and I think that once youve realized this you will be happier you not defictive and Im not nescisarily right. Besides what do I know I have only talk to people who are gay and not ever tried it... but let me ask you something I have been married for almost 10 years, Ill date myself to say i was 21 when I got married, if I was to have sexual relationship with a man now at this point wouldnt it be a choice that I made. and for having that relationship i would be consindered gay right? thats just my opion peace...

« **Reply #179 on:** April 29, 2003, 02:26:17 PM »

You think you chose to be attracted to women? Attraction has more to do with than looks. Physically and emontionally, you can honestly tell me that you could turn your preference at the drop of a hat and connect with a male at the same level you do a women?

Your natural instinct to check women out or to socially engage with females can be turned off?

Then why can\'t I?

I want you to ask those friends of yours a question.

Could they change it? Could they honestly and truly be attracted to a woman if they wanted to?

I\'d like to hear their answers.