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« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2003, 06:43:20 PM »
Wow we\'re nerds.

ANYWAYS...

Ok, well I have one more question that I\'ve been thinking too much about. I don\'t get the whole "the One" thing. Yeah "The one" can control anything in the matrix and change it as he wishes. The Architect said that there have been others. They all have failed to stop the Matrix and Zion was destroyed every single time...........How did that happen? The possibility of Zion being another part of the Matrix in order to keep the REAL world in check. I mean the whole "the one" idea was just another control of the Matrix in order to keep the ones that are conscious that there is a Matrix, but don\'t realize that "Zion" or the "Real" is in fact another Matrix, therefore even though they know what the machines are doing, they don\'t know that the "real" is just another way to keep the ones that know whats going on in check. Neo is there in order to make the whole "prophecy" more beliavable and help the "architect" keep the ones that know what the machines are doing. By making them believe that there is a saviour they accept the "real" as the "real" even though it\'s not......Then when Zion is destroyed the people in the REAL world die....remember....the body can\'t live without the mind.....So then once Zion is destroyed...the part of the Matrix that makes Zion is restarted......................Did that make sense?!
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« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2003, 06:47:46 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2003, 07:07:18 PM »
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How did that happen? The possibility of Zion being another part of the Matrix in order to keep the REAL world in check. I mean the whole "the one" idea was just another control of the Matrix in order to keep the ones that are conscious that there is a Matrix, but don\'t realize that "Zion" or the "Real" is in fact another Matrix, therefore even though they know what the machines are doing, they don\'t know that the "real" is just another way to keep the ones that know whats going on in check. Neo is there in order to make the whole "prophecy" more beliavable and help the "architect" keep the ones that know what the machines are doing. By making them believe that there is a saviour they accept the "real" as the "real" even though it\'s not......Then when Zion is destroyed the people in the REAL world die....remember....the body can\'t live without the mind.....So then once Zion is destroyed...the part of the Matrix that makes Zion is restarted......................Did that make sense?!
I think you\'re on to something here.  Yes, I think I\'m going to accept this explanation for the time being.  Thanks.
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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2003, 07:15:44 PM »
WOW NOW I GET IT!!!

SOO...Neo wasn\'t supposed to save trinity? Notice the architect said "hope" makes it sound like Neo is just hoping to save her, he also said that she was going to die and Neo couln\'t do nothing about it........OR he was just saying what Neo was feeling.
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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2003, 07:20:48 PM »
Yes, just like the oracle, the architect told Neo what would happen as if it were unchangable.  He said Trinity could not be saved, but Neo achieved the impossible and saved her anyway.  Neo is the last and only assertion of freewill in a universe otherwise devoid of it.
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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2003, 07:25:45 PM »
Not true.  The architect said that she would die and there was nothing he could do to save her.  Then, she died.  Just like the Oracle told Neo he was waiting for his next life to be the One, and also told him that he would die if he tried to save Morpheus.  He did die.  Both the Oracle and the Architect told Neo exactly what would happen.  Whether it was permanant or not is irrelevant. :)
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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2003, 07:28:14 PM »
^^

DEEP SHIT!!
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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2003, 08:25:02 PM »
SirMystiq has it down pretty good.  From a long discussion with a friend of mine, we came to the following conclusions:

In mathematical programming, a continuous anomaly looping over and over again will, at one point, cause an entire program to come crashing down.  If that\'s the case, then the program needs to be restarted and the anomaly needs to be weeded out either through careful scrutinzation of the problem, or trial and error.  If you think of the Matrix, both the real form of the Matrix represented by Zion, and the form of the Matrix represented by 1999 life, as a series of mathematical equations equalling a program, Neo is the anomaly in that equation unsolved by the machines, the human anomaly of choice.

The machines are attempting to contain that anomaly and phase it out of their program as best as they can by giving the humans a choice at a very limited concious level.  One of those humans will be an anomaly and be dubbed as the one, or the 0.1% that the Architect spoke of.  Their ultimate goal with the one is to recombine them with the Source and restart the system since the mere existance of the one, and others who chose Zion like him, are further proof that their equations have yet to be perfected.  Since this is a continuing struggle for the machines, the system needs to be continually restarted every hundred years until the equation is perfect and accepted by every single human and thus, there would be no need for Zion and control would be ultimately supreme.  

With that said, new variables are introduced to the One in order to properly phase them out of their existance leading to the complete control of the Matrix with the machines and the variable of free will would be moot.  Thus, the machines, or even the programs of the Matrix, introduced Trinity.  As they said in the film, the One had never really been given a true element for them to really attach to.  They were always sympathetic enough to humanity to cause them to save the vast majority -- the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one -- but that has yet to phase out the variable of the One.  As said in the beginning of this long winded explanation, new elements are introduced to get rid of the One and because of that, the element of love was introduced, something the machines do not fully understand.  Either way, the machines risk losing the power source of the humans either through a total system failure of the Matrix through the anomalyous program loop, however, the machines can continually try new concepts to try and perfect the Matrix program code.  Either way, it\'s a risk, but it\'s a risk worth taking.
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« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2003, 09:11:08 PM »
Actually while I was watching the film, it also occured to me that perhaps Trinity died like Neo did.  We won\'t know for sure until the next film.  Perhaps if Trinity displays some of the "One" powers, then we\'ll know she died and was brought back to life.  :)
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« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2003, 10:15:19 PM »
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We won\'t know for sure until the next film. Perhaps if Trinity displays some of the "One" powers, then we\'ll know she died and was brought back to life.


Who said you have to become the one if you die?  Maybe she\'s just lucky. :)
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« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2003, 02:01:06 AM »
wow, this, by far, makes the most sense to me!
nice post :D
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i hope they all get aids and die they should bnt tbbe having sezx with just anyone they should be in love if theay are foing to have sex not just to make money I htink its wrong for them to just have sexzx for the fun of it specially when some of the performancs are married, its just wrong. tey are givng out deaseases to anyone and its just not right i tell you i think its really really wrong specially when tey have sex i dot whach porno though so im not sure what they do i dont theink theyr realy hjave sex its all just pretendnig but you never no what they do its just wrong speciallly when they dont even love each other its wrong i ell you in tsi just wrong. wtings owting wtrong wtongs wtongs. i dont like it. prlease explaions.

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« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2003, 06:44:43 AM »
Nobody watched Tron did they :-) The one is a Programer and able to rewrite the Matrix as he sees fit because he can see the code. Zion is probably a secure system inside of the Matrix that the first "one created" The representation of the Machine coming towards Zion is the machines trying to hack the encryption. Neos choice From the Arcitech was to save zion by starting a new matrix or Destroy them all "meaning to fdisk the system delete everything and to start over" but than again it can be soo simple or so complectated who knows....... I do know that this thread is the most integent thread I have seen on this board in a year!
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« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2003, 08:36:49 AM »
where can I get the script will someone mail it to me?
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« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2003, 12:25:27 PM »
I don\'t agree with you, Cyrus.  Zion itself can\'t be a free entity as the machines would have you believe.  The machines always know about it, and each time, as said by the architect, it is summarily destroyed.  If that\'s the case, then it leads me to believe that Zion itself is yet another portion of the Matrix which is why I posted that there were two distinct versions, almost like levels of reality.  1999 is the Matrix that we know of where humans who chose to be integrated with the Matrix are maintained and controlled while Zion itself is another Matrix designed to maintain and control the anomaly and those who chose it over the 1999 Matrix.  

So far, this is the best explanation my friend and I can fathom.  There\'s just nothing else out there that fits the criteria so perfectly which would explain Neo\'s newfound powers in Zion.  The only problem is Agent Smith who I have not really had a need to discuss in this thread. :)
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« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2003, 01:40:04 PM »
Box office report.  (For those of you who haven\'t seen it already)

"The Matrix: Reloaded"

3-Day gross (Fri, Sat, Sun) $93.3 Million [2nd all time behind "Spider-Man."]
Complete opening gross (Wed night through Sun) $135.8 Million. [#1 all time]
Highest grossing opening for a R-Rated film, beating "Hannibal"s $58 Million.
Grossed $37 Million on Thursday only, making it the highest grossing Thursday opening ever (beating "Attack of the Clones")
"Reloaded" should surpass the entire $171.4 million run of the first film "The Matrix" by next weekend.

IN ADDITION, the film added $31.9 Million from all overseas exhibitions.  France=$12M, Australia=$7.3M, Netherlands=$1.8M, etc.  Too many pirates in the Netherlands, I guess.  :)
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