For those that have seen the matrix reloaded (no spoilers)

it actually opened thurday

SO glad it didnt take fastest selling

The funny thing is, the movie that has it, Spiderman, I didn\'t even see till a week ago.

that\'s ok, it sucked anyways

i gave the early 80\'s live action TV show more respect

Originally posted by mm
i gave the early 80\'s live action TV show more respect

I honestly can\'t believe that.  You\'re joking, right?  I mean let\'s get real.  The 80s TV show featured Spider-Man fighting ordinary human criminals because they couldn\'t afford to produce a show with super villians.  Almost everything about it was crap.  The scripts were mind numbingly boring, and the effects were hopeless.  I remember that show well, my friend.  

Ryu I dont agree with me either was just trowing it in there. Way tooo many possibilites. im still leaning toward my first post on the subject mostly because if we went with the one you posted and the artichect is really in control why wouldnt he at the point of system fauliure just stop everything and reload a backup

Because no matter what, the problem would just happen all over again.

core, yer basing it off how you would feel now watching it

as a kid, it\'s different

[GmanJoe]

Anyone else think that the Matrix created Neo so it could stop the "virus" Agent Smith from replicating itself to ALL the human batteries?



Of course, in the guise of saving humans, Neo is really stopping Agent Smith.

[Living-In-Clip]

I saw the movie tonight and I thought it was downright terrible. Why?

• Fishburn\'s performance was sub-par. He was easily the best part of the first Matrix flick. In this one , every line he delivered seemed forced. Espically his speech at Zion.
• Zion looked and felt like crap. The CG was downright terrible in points.
• In the original Matrix - Morphues told Neo to run if he saw an Agent , that no one had ever defeated an Agent and guess what? That\'s what they did. They ran from Agent\'s, \'cept for Neo at the end. In this one, goin\' up against an Agent was an everyday thing and no big deal.
• Love story - forced and annoying. Reeves and Moss have no on screen chemisry what so ever.
• Agent Smith duplicating could of been cool, but instead it became a borin\' side plot.
• A lot of poor dialouge (the whole conversation with the man who held the Keymaster) . At points it seemed like the writers was tryin\' to get every big word , ever used in a sci-fi film and put them together in one big sentence. Downright poor.
• The scene in Zion where everyone is dancing and Neo is gettin\' laid. Come on - it was overly long and completely un-nessarcy.
• Speaking of overly long, the fight scenes, while was the only saving grace to the movie, was also overly long. You do not need a car chase scene to be 14 mintues long. It\'s just mind numbing.

Bright side? Reeves truly was \'The One\'. He was great in this flick and when he was flyin\' around, that was badass. However, all it did was make me wish for a new Superman movie.

Was lookin\' forward to this movie and came out disgusted.
Go freakin\' figure.

Originally posted by GmanJoe
Anyone else think that the Matrix created Neo so it could stop the "virus" Agent Smith from replicating itself to ALL the human batteries?



Of course, in the guise of saving humans, Neo is really stopping Agent Smith.

That wouldnt be possible because agent smith went AWOL after neo destroyed him. The matrix did not create neo for this purpose.

I don\'t agree with you, Cyrus. Zion itself can\'t be a free entity as the machines would have you believe. The machines always know about it, and each time, as said by the architect, it is summarily destroyed. If that\'s the case, then it leads me to believe that Zion itself is yet another portion of the Matrix which is why I posted that there were two distinct versions, almost like levels of reality. 1999 is the Matrix that we know of where humans who chose to be integrated with the Matrix are maintained and controlled while Zion itself is another Matrix designed to maintain and control the anomaly and those who chose it over the 1999 Matrix.

I do however agree with ryu on these points. The only thing i can think from this is that supposedly they want to close up most things in the next film and if so that doesnt leave a lot of room for too much explanation. Somehow im lead to belive that the one or the anomaly is a program to keep the rest of the human race in check becuse for some odd reason, the same things happen over again and Zion remains to be called Zion. Why is none of the past knowledge passed on, if all the other anomalies started to rebuild Zion? Seems a little strange when you think about it.

If programs can hide from the matrix and somehow detach themselves from the machine mainframe then its just as possible for neo to be a walking program that resets its self. The Oracle is on red alert because it seems people want her out of the picture. And its wierd because couldnt she just be eradicated from the mainframe, since physically she is nothing. I guess its just because the matrix is a program that she can hide there and thus the machines cant pull the plug on the matrix.

This Oracle biz makes you wonder. If she has seen each "one" and thinks that neo is special, If she has recently escaped the matrix\'s grasp or if she is working for the matrix to keep things in order. It really gets quite complicated as well all know.

Somehow im lead to belive that the one or the anomaly is a program to keep the rest of the human race in check becuse for some odd reason, the same things happen over again and Zion remains to be called Zion.

Because Zion is another form of control.  It\'s called Zion each time because the humans who continue to choose the reality of Zion over the reality of 1999 need a place to be shunted until the anomaly of the one can be solved in which case all humans would choose 1999 and there would be no need for Zion any longer.  Once the one emerges from the Matrix, the machines do everything in their program to lead him to the source and restart the system so the machines can try to solve this anomaly once and for all.  Each time, as I said, the machines have to change certain variables to come closer to attaining this goal.  One such variable is Trinity and the rest I explained in my post above.

Once the Matrix restarts when the one merges with the source, any memories of Zion are purged since all those who do remember it are subseqently killed when the machines enter Zion and kill everyone there as they have five times before.  If there is no one who remembers, then the information can\'t be passed on to anyone.

If programs can hide from the matrix and somehow detach themselves from the machine mainframe then its just as possible for neo to be a walking program that resets its self.

This I can see happening, but I\'m not sure I agree with it.  For the most part, machines only decide whether they live or die when they face deletion.  For example, all the rogue programs in the Matrix mentioned during the Oracle conversation as well as the Merovingian\'s guards (the Twins and others) are programs who chose against deletion to live inside the Matrix.  That\'s the only example of free will I can think of.  Neo has been making choices all this time, but I must admit, his continuance to follow orders and behave just as he is told mimics that of a machine more and more.

To contrast this, Smith himself is beginning to act more human despite the obvious presence inside a human body.  It\'s interesting to be sure, but these two apparent foes could possible become allies seeking the same goal in the third movie.

pffftttt Ryu.. why didn\'t you merge this with the offical Matrix + Animatrix thread... :rolleyes:



j/l

The only relevant question in this movie is: Why didn\'t the robots use cows or any other animal to \'charge their batteries\', why humans? :eek:

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by politiepet
The only relevant question in this movie is: Why didn\'t the robots use cows or any other animal to \'charge their batteries\', why humans? :eek:

Because if humans are left free, they will attack the Matrix and sabatage it.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Lord Nicon


That wouldnt be possible because agent smith went AWOL after neo destroyed him. The matrix did not create neo for this purpose.
 
 

To quote another person\'s theory :

Agent Smith cloning power is integral to the Matrix. Now being a virus, Agent Smith becomes the most dangerous portion of the Matrix. He can take over anyone’s body inside the Matrix, and his clones have the same ability. Once he takes over the body, the mind is deleted, and the subject’s body is only kept alive by Agent Smith, so the persons mind dies. Now think of his duplication powers, they become real important here. Let’s follow the math. 1 agent duplicates, and makes 2 agents. 2 agents in return can clone 2 more agents making four. Now we are going down the line here. But at that pace, Agent Smith can infect the mind of everyone in the Matrix within a given amount of time. If he does take over everyone, and shuts himself down, the matrix will crash, and everyone dies. This is what makes Agent Smith the most dangerous person in the Matrix.

Why was Neo was created?

According to the Architect, Neo was an animally, or a mathematical equation that had to occur. If his role is not to free those in the Matrix, then what is his role? The answer is he was made to kill Agent Smith. For every animally that is formed to be good, there is one to be bad. And Agent Smith is the exact opposite of Neo. Above we already stated why Agent Smith is so dangerous, and now we know that Neo is what needs to stop him. Your argument could be that Neo created Agent Smith. Well that is true, but maybe the Architect saw a case, or predicted a case, when there would be a virus as strong as Agent Smith. If that Virus occurred before Neo was made, then that virus could destroy the Matrix, with no fight. So, he formulated a situation, where Neo would create this virus, and then get rid of it. Or serve as its vaccine, which will then be planted into the Matrix from it ever happening again.

This explains why the Oracle helps Neo as well. And by watching the third trailer you notice she is the one speaking of how Neo needs to destroy Agent Smith, and on the side there are thousands of Agent Smiths.