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Offline Ginko
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« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2003, 09:13:12 PM »
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Every human is different and has his or her own thoughts.


Can you explain where those thoughts come from and why they are unique to each individual?  

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The only time someone may show any type of human nature is when you must compete for survival. The only thing that might show that humans dont have a nature in that situation is that different humans can come uo with different ways to survive.


You must eat, you must sleep, you must take a shit.  You are natural...tell me when you rise above that.


Then to address the rest of your post I will ask you..."What makes you tick?" as Samwise put it.  Can you explain what it is that makes you compelled to do what you do?

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« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2003, 10:28:19 PM »
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You must eat, you must sleep, you must take a shit. You are natural...tell me when you rise above that.

I believe he is talking about more shallow things; such as picking the color of your shoelaces.

Just wanted to point that out for you.

My one point on your post cloud345;
You say we are smarter than animals, personally, I have a very contraversal opinion on this, which may lead to some flaming and name calling; but let it be.

Basically, if anyone would want more clarification;

Animals could be more advanced, intellictually than humans. I mean they do nothing, and live their lifes content and happy. They dont need inventions to live their life, they adapt themselves.
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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2003, 06:15:43 AM »
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I believe he is talking about more shallow things; such as picking the color of your shoelaces.


That much I figured but I was waiting for a response of his that I\'m pretty certain will be.

I\'ll go ahead and make my point though.

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Can you explain what it is that makes you compelled to do what you do?


Nope.  You can\'t explain why people get their best ideas when they are not thinking about it or why they are able to think the way they do.  They just do.  Like everything around you it\'s as simple as is just is.  In other words, that which we have labeled nature.  You are part of it.

"I think, therefore I am confused."

We are creatures of action/reaction from which you obtain habit.  That is why we you are doing something familiar you don\'t even think about it...you aren\'t making any choices whatsoever, you just do what you do and it gets done.

I believe we waste much of our brain capacity on the trivial things.  I\'ll quote directly from The Tao of Pooh:

"Gathering, analyzing, sorting, and storing information-these functions and more the mind can perform so automatically, skillfully, and effortlessly that is makes the most sophisticated computer look like a plastic toy by comparison.  But it can do infinitely more.  To use the mind as it\'s all too commonly used, on the kinds of things that it\'s usually used on, is about as efficient as using a magic sword to open a can of beans.  The power of the clear mind is beyond description.  But it can be obtained by anyone who can appreciate and utilize the value of Nothing."

On the animal thing...IMHO, we are not superior to them.  They live on nature alone as they utilize that around them without even thinking about it.  They just do.

Apart from them we are able to build artificial homes, pollute the air, and act on our egos...superior?  Can you say that any of those have helped us come closer to understanding ourselves?

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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2003, 11:30:48 AM »
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Animals could be more advanced, intellictually than humans. I mean they do nothing, and live their lifes content and happy. They dont need inventions to live their life, they adapt themselves.


I won\'t flame you for this. I wouldn\'t doubt if thats true either. What if chimps don\'t want to be more advanced because it could lead to problems? Through evolution, smart animals like octopuses (intelligence of a 3 year old), chimps or even parrots could become more intelligent than humans were 1000 years ago. But we evolved so far that we might not be able to be surpassed at this point.
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« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2003, 11:56:22 AM »
Chimps don\'t have a conscious and can\'t act on it...as long as they don\'t have one there will be no problems.  They will just do what they do.

I wouldn\'t doubt if animals could become better problem solvers, they can experience and learn just as we can.  Their perception is still limited to what is just is though.

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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2003, 12:03:18 PM »
Its been proven chimps have the intelligence of a 5 year old. I think certain mammals have feelings, all can think (but different levels. Ex, a fly. it can only decide where to go, nothing else. Same with all other bugs. Chimps can form letters, fit blocks and other complex thinking), and can solve some problems.
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« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2003, 12:06:02 PM »
Right, that\'s what I was saying.  They are simply learning and adapting.

I didn\'t know about the feelings though...what kind of feelings?

^I\'m more or less talking about ego, do they have one?
Why I hope they don\'t have one.
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« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2003, 12:22:41 PM »
Coco the gorilla proved that animals have feelings. Her cat died and through sign language, she told her trainer she felt sad. It\'s also proven that elephants have feelings when one of their own die. Infact, elephants "bury" their dead (sort of, they put grasses and mud on them). Well, one elephant was shot in this village (wandered into a garden). This is where it gets fuzzy for me (gotta look back  in my world cultures notes, lol). The villagers burned and threw the elephants remains in a dump. One elephant took one of the bones of the elephant and put it back into the garden. It baffled people and scientists. Just one example of animal thinking and feelings and intelligence.
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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2003, 12:25:00 PM »
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Right, that\'s what I was saying.  They are simply learning and adapting.

I didn\'t know about the feelings though...what kind of feelings?

^I\'m more or less talking about ego, do they have one?
Why I hope they don\'t have one.


Ha, I have to agree with you there about ego. Just what we need, more things out there thinking they\'re perfect. Humans already do a perfect job at that.
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I wouldn\'t doubt if animals could become better problem solvers, they can experience and learn just as we can.  Their perception is still limited to what is just is though.


I have to agree with you 100% there. Their brains may evolve within millions of years but their perception will still be limited.
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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2003, 12:25:49 PM »
Okay...I don\'t see any evidence of egotistical behavior there.  Just grieving...

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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2003, 12:28:40 PM »
I wasn\'t saying it was ego. I agree with you about the ego, they aren\'t developed enough to have an ego. I was just saying that they have feelings and can think and do some basic problem solving problems.
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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2003, 02:34:39 PM »
Hmm I dont think you understood me Titan, or anyone else.

I believe it is possible that animals, the simple living creatures they are are actually more sophisticated, more advanced in a way.

They do not need to build stuff, create stuff to live. They dont need math, they dont need government, they dont need rules/laws. They live like they should, and I think humans have ruined that. Their is no way we can go b ack into a state like that.

Im saying is, their simplicity overminds our technology- if that makes sense to anyone. They dont need to prove they are smarter than us, because they know they are.

:laughing: I am very skeptic that it is possible, but hell- their is always a chance.
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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2003, 02:39:39 PM »
Sorry, Titan.  I didn\'t mean that you did...just came across wrong.

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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2003, 06:47:52 PM »
Its ok Ginko, you are forgiven :D I see where you are coming from though.

Spudz, I see where you too are coming from now. Thanks for clearing that up. Spudz, you have a pretty interesting idea though.
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2003, 10:02:17 PM »
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Spudz, I see where you too are coming from now. Thanks for clearing that up. Spudz, you have a pretty interesting idea though.


Yes, I talked to some of my family members about some of my theories on life. They are all the "Brady Bunch" Catholics, with their fancy jobs and everything.

Im the odd child in the family. I am kicked out of family dinners if I dont wear something to their standards. I am not allowed to some family weddings because they think I will crash it. They dont allow me to go to family reunions either, and If I do go; Im basically shunned.

Basically; Im the kid no one likes, it takes its toll. But I just think they are ignorant and afraid of something different.

Like now I have really long hair, and am just this drummer punk. Everyone is afraid of me- :laughing:
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