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Offline clips

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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2004, 07:47:11 PM »
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I did read it. But I chose not to ignore your "fight for the rich" statement. Your intent was to make Republicans look less appealing.



but that is what you will hear in general..i\'m not defending dems or repubs..i know better to know that both sides are corrupt..while you obviously must be a republican to come out and try to defend them..jumpy asked a question and i answered it in general terms.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2004, 02:41:19 PM »
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but that is what you will hear in general..i\'m not defending dems or repubs..i know better to know that both sides are corrupt..while you obviously must be a republican to come out and try to defend them..jumpy asked a question and i answered it in general terms.


My point escapes you. Your generalizations are incorrect. From a Democrat\'s point of view, that is your generalization. From a less biased point of view, Republicans prefer to "Cut Taxes". Not "Defend The Rich".

If you\'re going to generalize, get it right, at least.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2004, 05:35:01 PM »
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1.  I agree with what LIC said... if you aren\'t a citizen you shouldn\'t be entitled to get a cent from the US Government.

2.  Do you even remember the 80\'s?

3.  The Declaration of Independence was just that - a declaration for independence from Britian - IT DOESN\'T GIVE YOU ANY RIGHTS.  That is the Constitution at least get your facts straight- and it should only be for US Citizens.

4.  What do you know about "true Republicans"?  Do you have any grasp as to what this country went through 3 years ago?  Do you not understand that Democrats want those successful to pay for your needy and lazy asses?  Charity starts at home my friend.  Besides I would much rather give money to the Humane Society than to some illegal immigrants who think they can come here and sponge off of our society.  

Your family should have stayed in Mexico since you seem to whine about everything in this country.  By the way you go on about Bush and the government I TRULY believe that your family came here LOOKING FOR FREE HANDOUTS.  This is what seperates the immigrants of this era from the ones that came here in the 19th and early 20th century.  Those immigrants actually worked to make their lives better and didn\'t expect freebies that they were not entitled to.


1.) Too bad that\'s not the way things work. People can get welfare with just proof of how much they make.

2.) Not really.

3.) The Declaration of Independence stated some of the basic believes of the people that were becoming independent. Second paragraph..."We hold this..." and so on.

4.) I know that Republicans WERE conservative. I know that Lincoln would of killed GWB for overspending. That\'s not being very conservative. I know that without 9/11, Afghanistan would of still been governed by Al-quaida and Iraq would still be ruled by Hussain. Successful b/c you had the money to do it. Not all people can afford a college education, some have to drop out of high school to help out their families. But in a Republican view point, too bad right? Yeah, but then the government should spend billions of dollars on helping people that they chose to bomb. And they don\'t even live here. Sponge of your society? From what I know, immigrants have helped this country prosper to what it is today.

Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off. I don\'t know the kind of immigrants you meet, but they aren\'t the rights ones. I go on about Bush and the Government b/c I don\'t like it. What\'s wrong with that?
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2004, 06:33:03 PM »
Communism

Im serious.
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2004, 07:31:33 PM »
I think I am beginning to understand why everybody hates (e).  Took me long enough, should have figure out sooner.  But without him, it would be boring to not have someone to argue with.

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2004, 09:26:22 PM »
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Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off.


Wrong.
If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, then you need to be shipped off, ASAP. Not put in our JAIL - because that\'s wasting tax money. You\'re ENTITLED TO NOTHIHG America offers.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2004, 09:40:37 PM »
Errr...I think you need to re-read his post, Clip...
July 2002: If you had bought $1000.00 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00. Enron, $16.50 left. Worldcom, $5.00 left. If you had bought $1,000.00 worth of Budweiser beer one year ago, drank it all and turned in the cans for the 10 cent deposit, you would have $214.00. Based on the above, my current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2004, 09:51:18 PM »
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Wrong.
If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, then you need to be shipped off, ASAP. Not put in our JAIL - because that\'s wasting tax money. You\'re ENTITLED TO NOTHIHG America offers.


Pshh...The Native Americans thought the first Immigrants were illeagl too. Then what happened? They took over...

http://www.liberaltopia.org/archives/photos/harville.html


Yeah, even though they still have to pay taxes right? Apply all the pressure of the law but still have them pay taxes.

People like you make America the best place for Immigrants to live...

Like I said, I\'m a U.S. Citizen.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2004, 10:05:22 PM by SirMystiq »
Don\'t try to confuse me with what you call  facts, my mind is already made up.

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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2004, 07:23:15 AM »
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1.) Too bad that\'s not the way things work. People can get welfare with just proof of how much they make.

2.) Not really.

3.) The Declaration of Independence stated some of the basic believes of the people that were becoming independent. Second paragraph..."We hold this..." and so on.

4.) I know that Republicans WERE conservative. I know that Lincoln would of killed GWB for overspending. That\'s not being very conservative. I know that without 9/11, Afghanistan would of still been governed by Al-quaida and Iraq would still be ruled by Hussain. Successful b/c you had the money to do it. Not all people can afford a college education, some have to drop out of high school to help out their families. But in a Republican view point, too bad right? Yeah, but then the government should spend billions of dollars on helping people that they chose to bomb. And they don\'t even live here. Sponge of your society? From what I know, immigrants have helped this country prosper to what it is today.

Actually, I\'m a U.S. Citizen. So I\'m entitled to whatever the Government has to offer. My family only used Medicaid when we first lived here, b/c my dad wasn\'t "succesful" like you where and had to work harder than you probably ever had. Illegal and legal immigrants work their asses off. I don\'t know the kind of immigrants you meet, but they aren\'t the rights ones. I go on about Bush and the Government b/c I don\'t like it. What\'s wrong with that?


1.  That will change.

2.  Don\'t quote the 80\'s in that context if you don\'t even remember them.

3.  What do you not understand Mystiq... No habla English?  The Declaration of Independence IS NOT the Constitution.  There are no laws in the DoI.

4.  I fast forwarded past your mindless rant about Iraq and Bin Laden...  Now as for your claim about being rich to go to college... yeah I am rich :rolleyes: that is why I have $30,000 in Federal Student Loans I am repaying :rolleyes: Unlike you, I don\'t get grants (a grant is money you don\'t have to pay back) for being a minority.  I had to borrow money to get my education - I would bet there are not many people on this board who have gone to college and paid for it all with cash.  

You think everyone besides you and your mexican pals have it so easy here in the US.  Think again.  The US is no longer a level playing field.  If you are white you are at a disadvantage - whether it is paying for college, starting a business or getting a home loan.  Those are just a few examples.  Don\'t believe me - ask any banker.
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2004, 10:42:14 AM »
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I don\'t get grants (a grant is money you don\'t have to pay back) for being a minority.  I had to borrow money to get my education
Hot damn! Where can I find one of those?

Most grants go to low income families, regardless of race.
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2004, 10:47:52 AM »
No they have them for minorities as well - regardless of income.  I have yet to see a white folks grant though ;)
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2004, 11:50:50 AM »
There are grants of various types.

There are grants for people just for living in a particular area. Regardless of income, race or creed. My fiance\'s sister got one coz she was between 18 and 20 years old, had a 3.25+ average and living in the same community as the person who created the grant.

When I have enough money, I\'ll set up a grant for video gamers in my condo complex with no ambition except to graduate with a BS in Liberal Arts (aka "I Don\'t Know What Course To Take" Degree). :p
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2004, 12:08:37 PM »
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There are grants of various types.

There are grants for people just for living in a particular area. Regardless of income, race or creed. My fiance\'s sister got one coz she was between 18 and 20 years old, had a 3.25+ average and living in the same community as the person who created the grant.



She is a woman - they are considered minorities too :rolleyes:
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2004, 12:10:50 PM »
Wow, I agree with LiC on something. Yeah, illegal immigrants should take a hike.

GWB\'s proposal to welcome them was somewhat reasonable though, solely because of how many there are. We can\'t just get rid of them all, no matter how badly this country needs it. Why? Riots, etc.

Outside of that one thing, Bush made a big mistake. Darned illegals..
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2004, 02:07:50 PM »
Way the way I was told to look at it is the Republicans like to base off facts and give them, while the democrats will get people with little facts and twist the story to there advantage. For example the smoking, a democratic official said that like 50 percent of teens in america smoke cigarettes, well it was actually young adults, and to fit in that category you could be in the 13-25 year range. Catch my drift?

 

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