Al Sharpton

Originally posted by QuDDus
You got a problem with it? Who else is going to stand up for african amercans right or wrong. Sure is hell not GWB.

And what is it that you want GWB to do for you since he you know is a white man and could care a damn about you, right?

From someone at Fark
GOD, black people, STOP WHINING! All you EVER DO is talk about how we ENSLAVED YOU! JEEZ, that was only for like, 250 years!!! And WHO CARES if we denied you basic rights for another 100!!! You should be able to recover from large-scale institutionalized discrimination in a scant 50 year, if not SOONER! Especially since racism DOESN\'T EXIST anymore!!! OMG!

Give me an example on how this "large-scale institutionalized discrimination" holds you back and how whites make it possible.

Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.  The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market.  Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.

For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf.  Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave.  Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.  

Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.

Booyaa!!!

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery.  The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market.  Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.

For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf.  Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave.  Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.  

Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.

Your attempt to push the injustices of white america is nothing but comical. While slavery did not start with african americans it was governed and sanctioned in american by white folks. And it was a very serious situation.  Your attempt to try and brush it off with worthless explanation won\'t cut it with me.

If whites have done any suffering at all it was by there own hand.
It definetly was not by the hand of any indians or blacks.

And a black man does have more opportunities than he has ever had in his life time. But he is hardly on the same level as his white counter part. This is the year 2004 and racial profiling still exist amoungst white americans. Show me a black president then I will start to believe we are equal.

Originally posted by mjps21983
Booyaa!!!

oh man! :rolleyes:

Uh white people didn\'t enslave blacks - it was your African brothers who sold their fellow Africans into slavery. The west - including hispanics and even some blacks provided a market. Slavery was also still going strong in the Middle East long after the Civil War.

For the record whites have suffered throughout history as well - study feudal Europe and look up the meaning of a serf. Unless you were royalty - which 95 percent of us weren\'t you were a slave. Every culture has suffered indiginities at the hands of their own society or anothers.

Blacks have every opportunity to succeed in this country and in some respects even more opportunities than whites.

UH, thats a joke. Seriously, you cant just blame our "African Brothers" for selling others to the white men. To say that it was all on them in the first place is plain stupid. I dont think they all would have done such a thing if they understood how it affected their own people today. Of course we cant prove that. Even if they didnt sell them do you think white people would just be like "ok if you arent selling then we arent buying"? Now to assume that would be even more stupid. A lot of the people sold to whites were pows and slave like people already so it didnt matter as much to the africans at the time. I guess explaining this would take more than a few sentences but perhaps you can grasp the gist (sp?) of what im trying to say.

Like you said: Every type of person has experienced hardships at the hand of their own people so its not like being white and poor or w/e back in the day makes it any less wrong for them to enslave blacks. At first blacks werent even slaves. They were introduced to endentured servitude untill people figured, why pay them when we can enslave them for free. Not to mention that we stuck out like sore thumbs.

Whites "enslaving" whites and so on has nothing to do with race and because of the racial aspect of US slavery, it has grown into a problem that still exsists.

Blacks have every opportunity to succeed if not more? Please tell me youre joking. That is about one of the most ignorant things ive heard today. Seriously - im not trying to bash you, but do you really think that blacks stand a fair chance with underfunded schooling? Many blacks have to depend on public schooling which is never all that great in the black communities. They get older books, lesser qualified teachers, older equipment, and almost always have a higher student to teacher ratio than other schools.

Not only that but how is a black youth supposed to get into schooling mentally when they live in communities where sometimes school isnt as important to the people as other communities? The ignorant cant raise non ignorant children as easily as you may think. And please dont try to tell me that all of that mentality is on us alone. Just to mention one thing - There is a complex where blacks treat other blacks like slave owners did to blacks. This obviously doesnt promote progression. Its not as uncommon as one might think.

The only thing we get is Affirmative action which i cant say i agree fully with but some people make it out to be nothing but trouble. I cant and wont say that the white man is the sole reason for our lack of progression but you cant deny the fact that the modern black person is very much a product of slavery etc. etc. (obviously we are very different from todays Africans).

This could have been shorter but i had to get a point across because there were just too many things that you didnt take into consideration. Hopefully there is something in this mass that you can understand and maybe even agree with. If not then theres nothing i can do about that. All i can say is that i tried.

I remember when Sharpton was on O\'Reilly, Al was talking how the black people were brought over here for slavery and now they are in the doghouse.

Bill then asked do you think a black person would be better off in Africa or in the USA?  He kept dodging the question and never really answered it.  Take what you will from that.

I see both sides here have some points.  I can\'t see black youth in a bad neighborhood having the same level of education as most of us.  Part of me wants to say move out of the ghetto, get a job somewhere else to raise a family.  But to be honest I have no idea how bad a situation like that is.  I was fortunate enough to be raised in a family that never had problem with employment or a horrendous school system.

We still have a ways to go for a decent measure of equality, but BOTH sides have to work at it.  White people can\'t simply ignore the problem and black people can\'t play victim.  From reading these posts it looks like no one will listen to the other.

To bring up another point.. is it just me or does anyone else find it weird that black families in the ghetto can be really huge?  I think if you can\'t support a big family don\'t have one, regardless of race.

Its not just black families, its the families in the ghetto in general. Especially the hispanics. Its those breeding hips I tell ya.

Originally posted by Lord Nicon
oh man! :rolleyes:
 
UH, thats a joke. Seriously, you cant just blame our "African Brothers" for selling others to the white men. To say that it was all on them in the first place is plain stupid. I dont think they all would have done such a thing if they understood how it affected their own people today. Of course we cant prove that. Even if they didnt sell them do you think white people would just be like "ok if you arent selling then we arent buying"? Now to assume that would be even more stupid. A lot of the people sold to whites were pows and slave like people already so it didnt matter as much to the africans at the time. I guess explaining this would take more than a few sentences but perhaps you can grasp the gist (sp?) of what im trying to say.

Like you said: Every type of person has experienced hardships at the hand of their own people so its not like being white and poor or w/e back in the day makes it any less wrong for them to enslave blacks. At first blacks werent even slaves. They were introduced to endentured servitude untill people figured, why pay them when we can enslave them for free. Not to mention that we stuck out like sore thumbs.

Whites "enslaving" whites and so on has nothing to do with race and because of the racial aspect of US slavery, it has grown into a problem that still exsists.

Blacks have every opportunity to succeed if not more? Please tell me youre joking. That is about one of the most ignorant things ive heard today. Seriously - im not trying to bash you, but do you really think that blacks stand a fair chance with underfunded schooling? Many blacks have to depend on public schooling which is never all that great in the black communities. They get older books, lesser qualified teachers, older equipment, and almost always have a higher student to teacher ratio than other schools.

Not only that but how is a black youth supposed to get into schooling mentally when they live in communities where sometimes school isnt as important to the people as other communities? The ignorant cant raise non ignorant children as easily as you may think. And please dont try to tell me that all of that mentality is on us alone. Just to mention one thing - There is a complex where blacks treat other blacks like slave owners did to blacks. This obviously doesnt promote progression. Its not as uncommon as one might think.

The only thing we get is Affirmative action which i cant say i agree fully with but some people make it out to be nothing but trouble. I cant and wont say that the white man is the sole reason for our lack of progression but you cant deny the fact that the modern black person is very much a product of slavery etc. etc. (obviously we are very different from todays Africans).

This could have been shorter but i had to get a point across because there were just too many things that you didnt take into consideration. Hopefully there is something in this mass that you can understand and maybe even agree with. If not then theres nothing i can do about that. All i can say is that i tried.

It is a fact that Africans sold other Africans into slavery.  Do you think white men were running around the interior of Africa rounding up black?!?  Europeans - the Portugese for example set up huge ports along the coast of Africa where Africans would bring either Africans they captured in tribal warfare or had a personal vendetta against and sell them.  

Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan.  For example a black person who earns the same amount of money as me will qualify for a lower interest loan and loan assitance programs that I won\'t.

As far as not getting a good education... I find your rational to be false.  If that were true there wouldn\'t be one successful black person who came out the public school system.  The fact is if you apply yourself - regardless of race you will succeed.

There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise.  Those that are successful have figured out how to get ahead and stop looking at the past as an excuse for failure.

Also being poor and white in this country is worse than being poor and black.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
It is a fact that Africans sold other Africans into slavery.  Do you think white men were running around the interior of Africa rounding up black?!?  Europeans - the Portugese for example set up huge ports along the coast of Africa where Africans would bring either Africans they captured in tribal warfare or had a personal vendetta against and sell them.  

Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan.  For example a black person who earns the same amount of money as me will qualify for a lower interest loan and loan assitance programs that I won\'t.

YAs far as not getting a good education... I find your rational to be false.  If that were true there wouldn\'t be one successful black person who came out the public school system.  The fact is if you apply yourself - regardless of race you will succeed.

There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise.  Those that are successful have figured out how to get ahead and stop looking at the past as an excuse for failure.

Also being poor and white in this country is worse than being poor and black.

You have no idea what your talking about. That is the most BS I have read in along time. You might as well wave your confederate flag with that post. Sounds like something a silver-spoon white kid would spew from his lips.

I can\'t even take you seriously. Obviously you have been living under a rock and have know clue of the world for the past 50 years or so. While black america has come along way. We still have ways to go before we can be considered as full equals.

"Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan"

That is obviously the most rediculous thing you could have ever said. I mean you got to be pretty naive to even think something along those lines. It\'s make a good joke

"There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise"

This is the year 2004 and while racial profiling still exist in white america there should be more successful blacks these days.

I don\'t know you but man you talk like a naive little kid. Who probably had everything handed to him and never had to work for anything. And thinks everything in the world is fair and just.

Originally posted by QuDDus
You have no idea what your talking about. That is the most BS I have read in along time. You might as well wave your confederate flag with that post. Sounds like something a silver-spoon white kid would spew from his lips.

I can\'t even take you seriously. Obviously you have been living under a rock and have know clue of the world for the past 50 years or so. While black america has come along way. We still have ways to go before we can be considered as full equals.

"Blacks do have more opportunities here than whites when it comes to government sponsored programs ranging from education to getting a home loan"

That is obviously the most rediculous thing you could have ever said. I mean you got to be pretty naive to even think something along those lines. It\'s make a good joke

"There are many more successful blacks than there were 20 years ago and this number continues to rise"

This is the year 2004 and while racial profiling still exist in white america there should be more successful blacks these days.

I don\'t know you but man you talk like a naive little kid. Who probably had everything handed to him and never had to work for anything. And thinks everything in the world is fair and just.

First WTF does this have to do with racial profiling???  Secondly, read your history.  You actually believe Europeans were running around the interior of Africa capturing Africans?????  There were many reasons whites did not go far from the coast - the wildlife, disease and the native people.  


Here you go Quddus and Nicon:

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves; African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html

Tell me Nicon and Quddus how does it feel when you get :wned: ?

I guess black leaders don\'t like talking about that sad fact do they?  You can also thank the Arabs for helping as well.  Nothing like making sure the ignorace spreads from generation to generation. :rolleyes:  So you see, your own race played a major part in the slave trade.

Originally posted by GigaShadow
First WTF does this have to do with racial profiling???  Secondly, read your history.  You actually believe Europeans were running around the interior of Africa capturing Africans?????  There were many reasons whites did not go far from the coast - the wildlife, disease and the native people.  


Here you go Quddus and Nicon:

European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves; African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html

Tell me Nicon and Quddus how does it feel when you get :wned: ?

I guess black leaders don\'t like talking about that sad fact do they?  You can also thank the Arabs for helping as well.  Nothing like making sure the ignorace spreads from generation to generation. :rolleyes:  So you see, your own race played a major part in the slave trade.

You are an idiot. I can\'t believe your even attempting to try and find excuses for slavery in america. My main focus is slavery in america which was governed by white folks. It was white people that was lynching and killing african americans in america.

I could give a rats ass how they got slaves. The fact is they had them and where abusing them. Gosh your an idiot:rolleyes:

Originally posted by QuDDus
You are an idiot. I can\'t believe your even attempting to try and find excuses for slavery in america. My main focus is slavery in america which was governed by white folks. It was white people that was lynching and killing african americans in america.

I could give a rats ass how they got slaves. The fact is they had them and where abusing them. Gosh your an idiot:rolleyes:

If they weren\'t sold to European traders by other Africans in the first place there would have been no slaves in the US now would there?  

You just proved what a moron you are by saying you "could give a rats ass how they got slaves".  Blame everyone but your own.  Is your last name Sharpton by any chance? :rolleyes:

Um, stop living in the past man, and you expect to get anywhere by calling people an idiot when they just posted a fact??? I mean seriously slavery wasn\'t a good thing, but until you can put it behind you you will always live in the past. I mean what exactly do you want the BIG WHITE MAN to do for you??? How bout doing something for your damn self.