Schiavo Case

Originally posted by Coredweller
Why not try refuting any of the points I made, or post your own poll?

Why is it that Republicans constantly yammer about government waste and the sanctity of the Constitution, yet when their OWN CONGRESSMEN SQUANDER taxpayer dollars attempting to circumvent the separation of powers and overturn a perfectly legitimate judicial decision, they are strangely silent?  "Everything\'s fine because it\'s OUR guys doing it, right?"  WTF????  It\'s called a DOUBLE STANDARD.

The public doesn\'t want this.  The appeal is pointless.  The Parent\'s lawsuit will fail.  This is all a WASTE OF MONEY and EFFORT.  Congress has better things to do than this.

Maybe you should have thought twice before starting this topic.

Why don\'t you acknowledge that our judicial system is infested with activist judges like the one from the original case who are angry about other judicial rulings getting overturned by this adminstration (ie. the Pledge of Allegiance, etc).  Our judicial system has become a joke with judges interpreting the Constitution as they see fit.  This ruling is nothing short of what the Germans did with the mentally handicapped during World War II.  

Maybe you don\'t realize that this is cruel and unusual punishment in that even a convicted murderer would not be treated in this manner.  This woman isn\'t being allowed to die she is being killed.  This woman is breathing on her own and only needs food and water to survive - apparently this is too much of a burden for her husband and the judge.

In this case there was no living will and the judge accepted hearsay from the husband and his sister (7 years after she fell into a coma) as her not wanting to be kept alive.  I am sorry, but that isn\'t clear cut proof she wanted to not be kept alive and public opinion as to whether the feeding tube stays in or doesn\'t is pointless - this isn\'t the Colliseum in Rome.  If you were at all interested in the law you would acknowledge that hearsay isn\'t admissible in court, yet this judge allowed it.

[GmanJoe]

Yep. What Avatarr said - the video does not show the hours and hours of zero emotions, the catatonic state. The parents of the woman showed only the few moments when the face would just randomly start smiling.

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http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=36223

Couldn\'t add a poll to this thread.  So I made another

Well, the way I see this is, is it\'s one person\'s word vs. another in a sense. The bottom line is, he\'s still the Husband, and he\'s got the right to do as he sees. It\'s nice that the parents still want her alive, but the bottom line is, she\'s been in a catatonic state for the past 15 years, and she isn\'t going to magically come out of it.

The bottom line is, the Husband has the right to pull the feeding tube, not the parents -- sure, it seems a little suspicious, but that\'s how the law works. The Parents can appeal as much as they want, but it isn\'t going to do them any good, it\'s not a special case, there have been cases like this before, and just because Bush passes a bill for one person, it\'s not going to do much.

See Yuz.

I think its funny how Bush is all about "protecting the liberty of life" yet he cooked convict after convict down in Texas.

Let this chick die.

[SirMystiq]

We discussed this case in class today. I didn\'t really care at first, but it has finally got my attention.

From what we discussed, the girl can\'t even FEEL hunger. She would die painless and without any kind of special way to kill her. The husband is using what she told a friend, if she was ever to be in such state, she said she would rather die than live like that.


Also, I think it\'s selfish in the parent\'s part. Their daughter is gone. What they have now is a body without any brain. Their daughter is no longer with them. They are keeping her alive in order to satisfy their unwillingness to let go. They should. They are keeping her alive for themselves. If they really loved her and they knew that she wants to just die in peace, they should just let them pull the plug. I would understand if she had hope and it was only six months. But FIFTEEN YEARS? Hope has been long gone out the window.

And guess who is paying for all of this treatment? The taxpayers!


The Government shouldn\'t interfere with such decisions. DeLay wants to keep her alive to give her the "medical treatment" she needs. So what were the last fifteen years about? Doctors say there is no hope, nothing can be done.

On the government side of this, this is sadly a stab at euthanacia(sp) Jeb Bush put the tube in the last time they took it off. And now big brother is stepping in. Seems more of a personal religious or political reason than an honest attempt to help this case out.

Originally posted by SirMystiq
We discussed this case in class today. I didn\'t really care at first, but it has finally got my attention.

From what we discussed, the girl can\'t even FEEL hunger. She would die painless and without any kind of special way to kill her. The husband is using what she told a friend, if she was ever to be in such state, she said she would rather die than live like that.


Also, I think it\'s selfish in the parent\'s part. Their daughter is gone. What they have now is a body without any brain. Their daughter is no longer with them. They are keeping her alive in order to satisfy their unwillingness to let go. They should. They are keeping her alive for themselves. If they really loved her and they knew that she wants to just die in peace, they should just let them pull the plug. I would understand if she had hope and it was only six months. But FIFTEEN YEARS? Hope has been long gone out the window.

And guess who is paying for all of this treatment? The taxpayers!


The Government shouldn\'t interfere with such decisions. DeLay wants to keep her alive to give her the "medical treatment" she needs. So what were the last fifteen years about? Doctors say there is no hope, nothing can be done.

On the government side of this, this is sadly a stab at euthanacia(sp) Jeb Bush put the tube in the last time they took it off. And now big brother is stepping in. Seems more of a personal religious or political reason than an honest attempt to help this case out.

Why don\'t you get all the facts on this case instead relying on your brain dead teacher.  She went into a coma, her husband sued for medical malpractice and during this time she was receiving therapy and responding to it.  The malpractice case ends in the husbands favor - he cuts off her therapy and suddenly remembers she said at some point years ago that she didn\'t want to be kept alive with tubes.

Secondly, taxpayers keeping her alive?  Since when did food and water become a burden to liberals such as yourself?  We feed, give medical treatment and educate plenty of illegal immigrants with tax payer money yet you don\'t complain about that.

lol, Giga, that\'s awesome...somehow it\'s still the Liberals fault, I like it

Eh, as far as I\'m concerned, the case seems pretty open and shut to me...the Parents really  have no power here, and the Husband is technically still married to her. He\'s got the right to do what he wants, and that\'s just how the law goes -- they can appeal as much as they want, but a "change of heart" isn\'t going to happen by the Federal Courts.

See Yuz.

Let me just say this... if the husband had been married to her for 20 years while she was healthy and hadn\'t hooked up with another woman and father 2 children with her, I would agree with you ROL that he should have the rights to decide her fate, but he has no interest in this other than keeping the medical malpractice money.  Why else would he have stayed married to her for all this time while being in a "common law" marriage with another woman?  He could have easily divorced her and moved on with his life years ago, but he didn\'t.  You have to ask why as this makes no sense other than greed.

Since there was no living will, why not let the parents care for their daughter?  I see no harm in this at all.  This isn\'t a pro life or religious issue for me - it is simply letting those who truly care for this woman decide her fate as opposed to someone who doesn\'t.

One could argue that she should be "put out of her misery", but since none of us know with certainty that she isn\'t happy or aware of her surroundings this really isn\'t the issue.  They interviewed some woman who was in a similiar state who recovered and she stated she was fully aware of what was going on around her.  Does that mean this woman does?  Absolutely not, but my feelings behind my position are that her husband does not care for her wishes and instead of doing the right thing by divorcing her and letting the parents/family care for her he is doing the exact opposite.

[GmanJoe]

I thought all the malpractice money was already spent.

Not to my knowledge.  There is also a life insurance policy on her as well with him and his "common law" wife as the beneficiary.  Here is a sworn federal affidavit by an RN about Michael Shiavo from over one of the many trials.  Pretty scary stuff...

9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused

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on Terri\'s death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?,"
"Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These
statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include "Can\'t anything be done to accelerate her death - won\'t she ever die?" When she wouldn\'t die, Michael would be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure the parents aren\'t contacted." I recorded Michael\'s statements word for word in Terri\'s chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn\'t to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006944/posts

Stranger still is that Shiavo and his attorney have some business connections to the hospice where Terri is staying.  Coincidence?  There is so much stuff on the internet about this whole case and how things just don\'t add up.  Michael Moore should do a film about it!

This isn\'t a poltical issue - this is a miscarriage of justice.  If Shiavo signed away the insurance policy and waved the rights to where she was buried, etc.  I might actually believe he has her best interests at heart.

[videoholic]

SHe\'s dead.  SHe\'s been dead for many many years.

You do realize that you are paying for her to be in that bed right?

You do realize that you have been paying for that bed for many many years right?

They should give her custody back to the parents, but make them pay for the bed.  If they want her to stay "alive" then let them perform their own little experiment on their own dime.

I am not sure if any taxpayer money is involved in this.  Also who are you to say she is dead?  Playing God now are we?

I do agree that the parents should have custody and then move her to a private facility or to their home and hire a nurse for her care.

Michael Schiavo may be a bad guy, I don\'t really know.  All this stuff about his motivations is still speculation.  The fact is that he has the law on his side.  We can\'t make exceptions to the law just because we don\'t like somebody\'s personality or we think they have shifty eyes.  The court decision must be based on an objective application of law and precedent.  That is what has happened over the last seven years.

This is what the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals said:  "There is no denying the absolute tragedy that has befallen Mrs. Schiavo," the ruling said. "We all have our own family, our own loved ones, and our own children. However, we are called upon to make a collective, objective decision concerning a question of law."

That\'s what I support.  An objective decision based on The Law.

[SirMystiq]

Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why don\'t you get all the facts on this case instead relying on your brain dead teacher.  She went into a coma, her husband sued for medical malpractice and during this time she was receiving therapy and responding to it.  The malpractice case ends in the husbands favor - he cuts off her therapy and suddenly remembers she said at some point years ago that she didn\'t want to be kept alive with tubes.

Secondly, taxpayers keeping her alive?  Since when did food and water become a burden to liberals such as yourself?  We feed, give medical treatment and educate plenty of illegal immigrants with tax payer money yet you don\'t complain about that.

I could really use a link for all of the stuff you just said.

I rely on my teacher because, I don\'t know, she has a degree on history and political science. She\'s seen cases like this and used to be a lawyer. I don\'t know. Too many credintials for you maybe.


It\'s not a burden. I never said that. It\'s just useless. No point. The lady feels nothing. All she is now is a human body. Nothing else.

Wasn\'t Bush the one that signed that law in Texas that allows the hospital to pull the plug if it is necessary? I believe so. Also, since when does congress have the right to interfere in a state matter, Republicans have most of the time stood up for state rights. Now that they control the federal government, they choose to do the opposite.

This isn\'t a political issue. This is an ethics issue. Ethics that the GOP supposedly holds very high in their agenda. It is not ethical to let somebody live in such a state only so the parents don\'t have to go through the process of actually acknowledging their daughter is no more.

Playing God?




HAHAHA. That sounds VERY hypocritical. Honestly, what country has the state that has executed more people than a freaking country\'s population?