Separation of Church and State

Please tell us why you aren\'t proud of this country.  I really enjoy hearing things like our legal system discriminates against non Christians and things of that nature.  As Swifdi said, in your 16 years of existence what has made you so bitter?

I told you.

I\'m just not into Nationalism.  Nationalism is for people who enjoy glory, and as you said it, pride. Facists love nationalism, You\'d have loved it in Fiume.

Nationalism is what defines countries and gives them an identity.  Also Nationalism is not confined to Facism - many countries have great pride in their individual indentity.  Learn more and you will understand.

Your Fiume quip is amusing considering it is and was irrelevant to the discussion.  

You still haven\'t answered my question as to our legal system discriminating against non Christians.

Move to Australia and convert all your American dollars into wood chips cause all our currency says "In God We Trust"...

/mm

It\'s not irrelevant Giga.

You just remind me of facists from italy.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
It\'s not irrelevant Giga.

You just remind me of facists from italy.

Really?  Have you met one?  It still has nothing to do with the separation of Church and State.  

Answer my question about your lunatic assertion that non Christians are discriminated against in this country.  If you don\'t answer I will take it you have no clue what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Every logical person must/has/should admit that some of our laws are based on religious values.  

And why the fuck should my future children  have to pledge to "god" if they want to also pledge to America? That is completley unfair and it is on the brink of blatant brain washing.

Then have them pledge to america and not god, or if they want they can pledge to allah or budda or the devil, you can do what you want you know?

However there are some consequences to  peoples actions.

Answer my question about your lunatic assertion that non Christians are discriminated against in this country. If you don\'t answer I will take it you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

People who don\'t believe in laws that exist don\'t have a choice. The majority believes in the classic Religious-Moral-Code that has existed throughout western history.  Some people do not believe in the same Moral Code as the majority, and that number of people is growing as religious involvement declines.

Thats not discrimination

I believe it was Giga who used that word.

But anyways,  in some cases those laws are "needed". In other cases, they can be erased and things would be fine.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
People who don\'t believe in laws that exist don\'t have a choice. The majority believes in the classic Religious-Moral-Code that has existed throughout western history.  Some people do not believe in the same Moral Code as the majority, and that number of people is growing as religious involvement declines.

Read again DH - English Common Law.  That has nothing to do with religion.  

As for this "Moral Code" you speak of.  If you live in this country you follow its law - not the law in Saudi Arabia, not the law in Canada, not the law in China - the law HERE.  It has nothing to do with morals.  You have no clue what you are talking about.

Are you saying laws arn\'t based on the general morals of the voting population?

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
I believe it was Giga who used that word.

But anyways,  in some cases those laws are "needed". In other cases, they can be erased and things would be fine.

Is this not what you said?

change the legal system to be more fair towards people with minority beliefs.

more fair = you believe someone is being discriminated against.

Well yes. They ARE being discriminated against, but it is not direct. It is not an organized attack on the minority, which is why I didn\'t feel the word fit the situation.

It is simply a result of majority rule, which is the case in any democracy. There are two ways to avoid minority oppression,

1. is to educate and convince the population that what your saying is right.

2. is to not be in democracy.

Originally posted by Deadly Hamster
Are you saying laws arn\'t based on the general morals of the voting population?

morals - Definition: [n] motivation based on ideas of right and wrong.

I don\'t see religion mentioned there.  Being religious is not a prerequisite to know what is right and what is wrong.

Origin of Common Law:

In 1154, Henry II became the first Plantagenet king. Among many achievements, Henry institutionalized common law by creating a unified system of law "common" to the country through incorporating and elevating local custom to the national, ending local control and peculiarities, eliminating arbitrary remedies, and reinstating a jury system of citizens sworn on oath to investigate reliably criminal accusations and civil claims. The jury reached its verdict through evaluating common local knowledge, not necessarily through the presentation of evidence, a distinguishing factor from today\'s civil and criminal court systems.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law